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When People are Angry they Fight
by paco Saturday, Jul. 21, 2001 at 10:54 AM mail:

Mother fucking cops and mother fucking black block. "We found ourselves running like hell, not from the police, but from the black block," said one activist who says she is afraid of fire.

Mother fucking cops and mother fucking black block. "We found ourselves running like hell, not from the police, but from the black block," said one activist who says she is afraid of fire.

Her pacifist affinity group came face to face with the black block in the streets of genoa Friday. Shortly after, the police arrived, and Molotov cocktails appeared. But in Genoa this weekend, if the police arrive, you'd better make yourself scarce even if you aren't smashing small locally owned shops, or burning banks.

In front of the Piazzale Martin Luther King, squads of the Italian Para Military known as the Carabinieri, attacked people who had returned from their demonstrations to get some food and rest in the Convergence area. The Carabinieri drove armoured personnel carriers with tank tracks and bull dozer blades attached to the front. They fired canisters of tear gas into the area where people were eating, and onto the street where people were standing.

And they kicked people and used their sticks to beat people who they did not appreciate. Unless they appreciated beating people up who weren't doing anything. One bicyclist who looked as though he was just having a look at things when he was caught between two groups of carabinieri. At least one of them started kicking him and his bike violently until people nearby protested and other cops intervened. Vania, who is from Genoa, described what he saw happen there.

"There are tanks, and there are hundreds of Carabinieri with their gas masks on, hundreds of them. And you don't even really understand what is their reason for doing it, because they threw the gas stuff inside the place where the people were eating, and they were drinking, and just having a quiet time, and they started invading with all this gas stuff, and all the people fled and went away from there."

But the Carabinieri didn't let the people go so easily. They ran in full riot gear down the street, and several dozen scoured the rocks along the coast. A woman in a bikini watched as police dragged several young people onto the street after beating them with their sticks. Police used riot shields to hide a young man's injuries as they carried him past photographers.

We want to know how the cops are allowed to be such bastards. We want to know why people smash small, local shops and property. Both of these things make people angry, and when people are angry they fight. But who will fight against who? Let's not make enemies of ourselves.

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thanks!
by sara Saturday, Jul. 21, 2001 at 9:24 AM mail:

I just wanted to thank you for an insightfull piece. Unfortunately I can't be there with you in Italy and protest myself but I saw the same things go down in Seattle in november 1999.
We have to stop this unneccesary violence now, otherwise our resistance will die. We will all become victims like the young man killed today. There are other forms of resistance, if we stay together we have a chance to change the world for the better, but not by pissing each other off in the meantime, because then we will turn on each other and that is what the leaders want.
Don't we want to show them that we are caring,intelligent people who only are out there to voice our unhappiness about the economical and political agendas currently ruling our world because we do care about our fellow human beings and our surrounding environment?

There will be no change without unity between people.
Violence divides, it does not unite.

Please be careful out there, protest-yes, but non-violently!

Respectfully,

Sara *Keep up the spirit*

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YEAH SURE...
by Mike Saturday, Jul. 21, 2001 at 9:45 AM mail:

u say what are the cops doing there...? Well, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT"S GOING ON...
your so called friends are rioting the streets of this small city. Burning cars, stores ,banks... trashing everything they come across.
You are all blaming the cop that shot that guy... again take a look at the images and judge them by yourself.
Now figure out who are the real bastards..?
Don't blame who is doing his job. Furthermore, you all talk about World hunger etc. Now who is going to feed the families of those people that you guys destroyed their cars, their stores? Your movement???/

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by ... Saturday, Jul. 21, 2001 at 9:51 AM mail:

the world doesn't collapse because of some local shops (what kind of shops?) or some small cars being smashed. if it happens: smash something more significant afterwards, but do smash!

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sounds a bit fishy
by just a thought Saturday, Jul. 21, 2001 at 9:52 AM mail:

Hi Paco and all,

burning banks and harming small businesses are not the same thing.
The first sounds like a reasonable black block activity, the second
like something most/all anarchists would condemn. It sounds like
the work of provocateurs to me.

Also, to Paco, Sara, myself, and generally peaceful demonstrators:
the powers that be, including the police, don't care that you call
yourselves peaceful. They are NOT, and are always itching to use
the fastest way to put people back in their place. Their favorite way
is oblivion (so you had a nice peaceful event, maybe 3 lines in the
paper, no one noticed), and the next favorite is violence (you'll
stay at home next time). In the end, their goal counts far more than
their perception of demonstrators as peaceful or not, I have seen
far more police beatings of nonviolent protestors than I have of black
block kids. The black block kids come in ready to unarrest and to run,
whereas the nonviolent protestors seem to think their peacefulness will
protect them. Well here's the news: it won't.

One strategy even nonviolent protestors can take from the black block
is BE READY for their violence. Be ready to have to take action
to protect your friends, and yourself.

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are you there?
by forever undefined Saturday, Jul. 21, 2001 at 10:49 AM mail:

Mike are you in Genoa?
If not I guess you know about as much as the rest of us.
1 dead man killed by police. Justified by the laws of governments or not it is wrong to kill, says so in the Bible even.

Police and soldiers of the world lay down your arms and
stop supporting the leaders of the world who worship the false god - profit


peaceFULLY yours
forever undefined..

http://www.bfi.org/grunch_of_giants.htm

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Look
by Wombat Saturday, Jul. 21, 2001 at 10:33 AM mail:

Look, for the eight thousanth time, if most of the black block (or at least some of its members, who are egging on everyone else) aren't all undercover cops, then I'm Confucius

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Doing their job - Sie tun nur ihre Pflicht
by Rich Man Saturday, Jul. 21, 2001 at 11:34 AM mail:

Mike (9:45) commented on policemen, writing "Don't blame who is doing his job." Any political forces who would like to transform Italy from an unjust capitalist parliamentary democracy into a terrible fascist state will be very happy if they can rely on millions of people who are just doing their job. In Italy - one of the G7 countries! - the risk of starving to death if you stop doing your(=their!) job is extremely small.
Paco's article, last paragraph, reads: "We want to know why people smash small, local shops and property." Nevertheless Mike goes on: "Furthermore, you all talk about World hunger etc. Now who is going to feed the families of those people that you guys destroyed their cars, their stores? Your movement???". I pay a lot of taxes because I have a high income (IT specialist) and I prefer to see my tax-money spent for unemployed ex-policepersons rather than for arms and other crap.

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Undercover cops
by Swede Saturday, Jul. 21, 2001 at 10:54 AM mail:

I'm sure the are provocateurs from police/security forces in the Black Block. It's a police tactic. Even the Black Block has to see that the general smashing of a city does not give attantion to the issues, but takes away attention. And you have to stop ranting at everyone who critises you? There are middle roads between being passive and rioting.

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