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Freedom Of Speech?
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natalie Tuesday, Aug. 07, 2001 at 1:24 PM |
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Not only have the polie shown violence but they are also trying to silence the true voice of the media. The truth will come out even if travesties occur. The public has the right to know what is going on. This has proven there is no freedom of the press. I would like to thank indy meida for doing such a great help covering the G8, it's hard to find out what's really going on with the the corupt super news station. Keep on fighting for equality and for all the people that wish they were there. I have decided to wear red for as long as I can to remember the death of the prostester, it might not be much but it's a start to raise awarness of what's happening to the world.
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Erik Wednesday, Jul. 25, 2001 at 3:25 PM |
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I'm a bit confused. The man who got shot in the head was attacking an armed cop. When that happened i was a little sickened but to an extent he brought it on himself. But before i get mildly outraged at the raid, was this to STOP them from reporting? Christ that's a lot worse than shooting a rioter. This wasn't at all provoked.
Christ.
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inevitable
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me Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2001 at 6:19 AM |
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If this was El Salvador, Chile, or Cincinati there would be much more state retribution; those who engage in the overthrow of the "State" must realize that these tactics are insufficient in dealing with an superior opponent. Take a lesson from history, from 1776 untill today: to the hills and countrysides, arm yourselves, and begin the struggle accordingly leave these fat bastards until later...
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standard MO
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Spider Jerusalem Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 8:56 AM |
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Reminds me of the fake bomb threat the LAPD used during the "Democratic" National Convention last year to shut down the Los Angeles IMC just before we were to go live via satellite.
Only this...? And those other photos, blood fucking COVERING the walls?! This is 10x worse.
Jeezus fucking christ.
*Sj
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We are sickened, and extend to you our support
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Susan and Darcy Wednesday, Jul. 25, 2001 at 8:15 AM |
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We live at the most Northwest tip of the continental United States, in Port Angeles, Washington, across a strait from Vancouver Island.
We have been listening to BBC World News and to Indymedia, and are in shock. Carlo's death was horrific. We will never forget him.
This latest attack is unconscionable. The BBC reporter, clearly upset by what he witnessed, said that it took an Italian parliamentarian to come to the scene and tell the police they had no business in the two schools which, the reporter said, had been lent to activists before G8 by the City Council of Genoa.
The BBC reporter said the scene is horrific -- the pools of blood everywhere -- and from the bloodstains on the walls, it was clear to him that people were lined up systematically and beaten very badly.
There was much more in his reports. But, mostly, I wanted to tell you how incredibly devastated we are -- so very far away -- about the agony and difficulties you are encountering. Today, we protested in Pt. Angeles against a circus that features animals. All day, we talked about your struggle in Genoa. Our hearts and minds are with you. I've posted your reports on mailing lists that reach thousands of U.S. and worldwide citizens. My daughter has posted the info on mailing lists and forums. We hope it helps.
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Police is a Fascistcommunity ... everywhere !!!
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Out Raged Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2001 at 10:38 AM |
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carabinieri is using unnessecary violence, i hope the cop who shot is going to be not only charged for the crime but also convicted ... in my experience this is most likely not happening ... the continuing violence from the cops must be stopped, they are way over the line.
tomorrow there will be a Demonstration in Copenhagen, Denmark, against worldwide policebrutality, the manifestation will take place before the italian Embassy at 1600 hours.
solidarity & strength
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berluskaiser
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much Friday, Aug. 03, 2001 at 6:48 PM |
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it was obvious that it ended there. same tactic everywhere. undercover police provocing and then they can fight back. no deeskalationat all. they just wait to beat them up. it is a shame for italy and europe if police and the state has to reacct in this way. my heart is in genova.
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The truth WILL come out
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World Citizen Thursday, Jul. 26, 2001 at 12:49 PM |
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By far the majority of protestors against this "world domination" of corporate entities and the blurring line of politics are peaceful people.
Not only that, as evidenced in Melbourne Australia, police seem to have free range to turn peaceful protesters into what looks like anarchistic violent people.
The reality is getting through. Globalisation is not the world's saviour we are lead to believe or what do they have to hide? Why do they want to change the reality of these protests? What has happened to free speech and human rights?
Pick up a copy of Naomi Klein's No logo. It's an eye opening read.
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This comment is also disgusting
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James Anon Wednesday, Aug. 01, 2001 at 6:44 PM |
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Erik wrote: 'The man who got shot in the head was attacking an armed cop. When that happened i was a little sickened but to an extent he brought it on himself.'
What do you say when a prostitute is raped Erik, did 'the bitch bring it on herself'?
In line with you line of reason, perhaps it's only a virginal white, non-violent activists that deserves our sympathy if raped? What do you think?
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Freedom of the Press?
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Jason d'Eon Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 7:28 AM |
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This organized and yet irrational assault by the police confirms many aspects about the democracy found in our present media. We see the appearance of an affiliated set of corporate-media with an analogous mediations. In peaceful times the media that differ from the mainstream, as Indymedia does, are subjected to democratic forms of quasi-censorship such as ridiculing, contradicting, fabricating news regarding them as illegitimate, etc. However, what we see as the outcome the Carabinieri attack on the Indymedia office represents a vicious tactic normally used by those who try to hide the truth. We really are in a world ruled by the elite oligarchy of the rich. The G8 say that they want to help the poor. So why are they placing fear in our hearts? Is Italy not a democratic state? Why was a man shot then run over as he lay dying? Why should we believe anything the leaders of the G8 say? Let us all listen to the corporate-media and hear what "righteous enlightenment" they have to affirm! Soon "they" shall be an "I" and the general public shall not whisper an objection. We defeated totalitarianism to see it rise from within. The attack on Indymedia is a symbol out of many that embodies this near future of ours. El Che, where are you when we need you to strike down those evil tentacles of Imperialism?
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keep love in mind.
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jennifer Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2001 at 7:32 AM |
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when i see the violence and utter disregard for the rights of our brothers and sisters, i can some times feel discouraged. yet i remind myself what the future holds for us. the future is hope for the worlds poor and our enviroment. the future is an end to capitalism and hence finding ourselves trough relationships with people rather than things. and out of this will be a world born into a new age of spiritualality and love. so i remind everyone to keep on visioning our earth as the heaven it will become. ONLY LOVE CAN HEAL THE BEAST.
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Chirac and Dubya
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mack Saturday, Aug. 04, 2001 at 4:47 PM |
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Chirac abd Dubya were chumming up on US national news while this was going on. Have no doubt that they knew about this. Contacting governments to protest? Its the Bush family's New World Order attacking the the People! This is the government now. And it wants no complaint from its human resources.
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IS THIS THE NEW EUROPE?
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Ras Oms Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 4:50 AM |
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Dear italian & world comrades: Is this the new Europe? The Europe of Euro, European Commission, the politicians and so is a BIG LIE, a new weapon in the hands of the stablishment ready to destroy completely the popular mouvemements. We have to unite to fight the vulneration of freedom. There's no difference of country. Is a global combat, a global resistance
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TO THE ARMS! TO THE ARMS!
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durruti Thursday, Jul. 26, 2001 at 5:45 PM |
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FIGHT BACK! attack offical italy where ever you find it! smash banks! prepare for useful actions targeting on those who deserve - and don't forget the cops too! direct action speaks louder than words - make this the last g8 summt ever and pay back the bastards what they have done to our comrades!
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Violence reaps the same- surprised?
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Jeff Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2001 at 8:55 PM |
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It is absurd to think that violent attacks on persons and property will be met with acceptance by authorities and average citizens. If you want to hit a bull in the face, prepare to be gored. Why are you surprised?
Peaceful protest is a right, but anarchy is war, and anarchists better be prepared to die. The whining and "horror" at strong reprisals is typical of the naivety of those who haven't yet learned to take responsibility for their conduct. Real change is accomplished in the world of grown-ups, not by juvenile tantrums in the street.
Better learn how to play the game properly, or get more of the same! The majority of the world is fed up with this behavior, and the Italian actions will be repeated elsewhere as nations act to protect order.
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Rage against the Machine
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Andreas Iliopoulos Wednesday, Jul. 25, 2001 at 5:17 AM |
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I do not want to make any comments for the article, as it is a very "juicy" one. I do consider about practices of demonstating. People are going out with their flags and their plain bodies and voices and on the other hand authorities have armed its watch dogs with guns, gasses, vehicles, choppers and licenses to kill. What is going to be its next step? Invade our houses? What is the way that will make the difference between 8 deeply corrupted persons, protected behind money, industries and slaves in uniforms, which are completely deaf and 200.000 that they MUST protest and must be heard and taken notice?
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keep at it.
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sean Thursday, Jul. 26, 2001 at 1:00 PM |
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Bush is smiling, making a point to assure everyone back home that all is going as planned, and that "(G8) has been a very productive meeting". Putin, Chrétien, most of all Bush, all the oligarchs are trying their best to make sure no-one knows that this is a people's movement. With a curious lack of restraint, they have been repeating over and over the mantra that these protestors do not represent the will of the people. Well, you G8 despoilers, let this ring loudly in your ears.
This is a movement of the Great Unwashed, the Hoi Polloi, the Common Vulgar. Fear it.
The earth can no longer afford the rich.
Everyone - keep at it, move forward, push, shove. Keep nonviolence at your heart. Keep unity and love always within you.
Sean
Rice University, Houston, TX, U$A
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anarchy as you like
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an individual Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 9:04 AM |
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well you want anarchy so dont fucking cry about it. Bush want to get rid of the G8 summits as well becuase they are trying to get him to agree to policies that do not suit him. Well done you have just signed that deal for him
And if someone kills you or kicks the shit out of you who cares. I live in central London and if isee any of you people i am justt going to attack you, cut you and fuck you
you fucking dirty scum
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Solidaritat amb el companys de Ràdio GAP
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Ràdio Kaos (free radio) i Kaosenlared.net Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 8:57 AM |
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No hi ha paraules, la llibertat d'expressió un cop ha estat arrabassada per la classe governant empleada del gran capital i l'acció executada pels col·laboracionistes armats (policia, gendarmes etc.) pel partit únic del capital. Cap problema, la lluita continua com sempre podran treure'ns la paraula però mai el pensament. Ànims i a la lluita que l'única batalla que es perd es la que hom abandona.
We don't anything to say, only one thing, they, the great capital, will be able to steal our liberty but not our dignity. the solidarity is the solution the fight the only way.
Salut i revolució. Radio Kaos i Kaosenlared.net
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.......watch yourself
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the wackness Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2001 at 9:53 AM |
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the american media is caught up in the disappearance of chandra levy. it makes the perfect story for the american population. it keeps everyone interested in this high profile disappearance because of the possible scandal envolving a united states senator. it also means that the news can report less about the happenings in genoa and focus more of their time on the levy case. if the truth and struggles of these people are going to be known, i think we have to become the media through any means. indymedia is doing a great job of this. without it, i wouldn't have any idea what's going on at the g8 meeting right now. i've been reading all the articles i can find online and then watching the news reports on the tv to see what they say about it. i heard about the protestor being shot and killed on tv 8 hours after i read it on indymedia. anoter example is the accounts of the imc raid. cnn said nothing more than "italian police entered an activist media outlet an seized metal pipes and baseball bats." it didn't mention anything about the multiple blood stains on walls caused by police beatings and the other events inside the imc building. this is a perfect time to exercise hacktivism. if you have any computer knowledge which puts you or others in a position to spread the details through websites (not necessarily your own :) ) by all means, do so. if you know someone who has such an ability and is willing to apply his or her knowledge, please encourage them to do so as well. i did what i could earlier. i posted the plea's for help from the italy.indymedia.org site onto what ever sites i could access. from there, it redirected to the indymedia page. do something constructive and bring this event to the attention of as many people as you can. if borrowing webpages for constructive purposes isn't your thing, copy stories, links, and pictures and mail them to everyone you know, post them on random message boards, or send it to your friends on AIM. there is soo much that we can do without being in genoa.
- the wackness
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Vorrei Vedere
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BiG_BoY Sunday, Jul. 29, 2001 at 12:38 AM |
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vorrei vedere se qualcuno ti brucia la casa o ti brucia l' automobile se non chiami la polizia a difenderti.
i manifestanti in questo g8 sono solo barboni che non hanno voglia di lavorare e odiano tutto quello che ricorda a loro il lavoro,per questo odiano qualsiasi tipo di società civile basata sul lavoro. se volevano protestare dovevano farlo senza distruggere la città.
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SOLIDARITY
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Bill Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 9:29 AM |
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Greetings and solidarity from one who was a member of the Students for a Democratic Society in the the sixties and seventies!!! Your actions in Genoa are both inspiring and long awaited. The death of a comrade in the streets of Genoa made me remember immediately the deaths at Kent State so many years ago. The enemy then is the enemy now, the system that feeds on the blood of the young and the oppressed. Indy Media so reminds me of the Liberation New Service that we had back then and no wit suffers the same consequences. How many times LNS had their doors kicked in and files stolen. The anger and the hatred for this system still burns red hot in many of us who were active in the sixties/seventies and for what it is worth, I feel well represented by the youth that comprise the Black Bloc. Your actions are not without support here in the 'belly of the beast'.
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non ha senso
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marco Wednesday, Jul. 25, 2001 at 12:28 PM |
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probabilmente è una cosa scontata ma io sono sempre più convinto che e' una cosa che non ha senso sia quello che fanno alcuni manifestanti sia l'aggressività della polizia che da quanto mi risula hanno lasciato agire i blak blok liberamente. Penso che dato l'ingente numero di persone che facevano parete delle forze dell'ordine si sarebbero dovute organizzare squadre che tenessero a bada questi violenti inoltre penso che una parte della colpa, la maggior parte, vada al governo che ha organizzato tutto cio'; avrebbero dovuto capire che i fatti accaduti in america potessero ripetersi anche in itali a e avrebbero potuto scegliere una localita nascosta, ma purtoppo siamo governati da "PAGLIACCI" che pensano solo a riempirsi le tasche....
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risposta a ByG BoY
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fuck Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 9:46 AM |
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tu come ti permetti di insultare delle persone che hanno come unica colpa quella di rifiutare ogni forma di oppressione che sia il datore di lavoro,la polizia,lo stato o il prete di turno anche usando la violenza mi domando ma tu sei un compagno o un fascio???????tu non sai un cazzo di come si vive per strada quindi cazzo parli a fare??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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press
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maurice Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 10:17 AM |
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The Italian police just made evident what they define as neutral press coverage. when the state is raiding the information centres we know that we hold the truth. The truth is hurting the fascist practices and the fascists admit this apparently. THE TRUTH IS OUR STRENGTH with respect for the people sacrificing their bodies for this.
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we must protest
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lia Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 10:44 AM |
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the violence used by the italian cops and the army is increadible. I was not able to go to Genoa, but I want to keep informed. We should organise a demonstration in London in solidarity with those in genoa and in protest of police brutality and EU governments. We cannot allow this thing to happen...
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Right Wing Bastards
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Robert Menard Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 8:19 PM |
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This just shows the ruling classes will stop at nothing to let corporate powers run the world. It shows why we need a strategic measure to guard against a totally capitalist world. Everything is good in balanced amounts, but when one wing, be it right or left gets stronger then the other, either side is capable of bloodshed in the name of "the people"
I do not see how hurting and killing innocent people is for the good of society, but I seen the same things happen in Canada during the summit of the america's in Quebec City. It's disgusting and shows the world what our democratic leaders are capable of. Perhaps the democratic leaders of our countries should sit back and look at what they said, here in Canada no one had a choice in who to elect, we took the best of all the evils. But evil is evil no matter what. Our prime minister just has the advantage of being so stupid he acts slowly upon most matters which is why we elected him. His claim to fame, trying to strangle a person who got to close.
Loosers the whole lot of them. Maybe the people's of the leaders of the G8 should form a revolution and let our leaders feel what it's like to be clubbed and shot with bullets, either rubber or plastic or lead. See how they appreciate it..
Sincerly Rob Menard Canada
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THIS IS AS BAD AS THE NAZI INVASIONS
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Rickie Lee Wednesday, Jul. 25, 2001 at 1:51 AM |
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I'm awfulyl scared as to what this world is headed for. Those of us who have taken the time to read the history of the Bush family, know where they stand as far as 'freedom' & 'the New World Order' go. This is the type of treatment that will be going on all over the world if the Bushes and those who dream of total control have their way. They frighten the hell out of me. Nazi-ism is still alive and well. Hitler is smiling from hell. May those who are in control to diminish our freedoms burn in hell. Leaders of countries who condone this type of treatment should be ousted but the citizens of this world have no power over their hateful ways. May the Creator give to them, their just rewards.
It's a pity that those of you in the media, who report truth all over the world, have to endure such violence & vicious attacks. Our freedoms are becoming something of the past. I'm praying for you.
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Shocked
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IMC Bonn Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 11:47 AM |
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We are shocked by what happend last night to our colleagues.
Disgusted after seeing the pictures.
And confused by the whole situation.
We like to extend to you all our support and admiration for all your work in these terrible circumstances.
love and solidarity,
The Climate IMC in Bonn
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la fine della democrazia italiana
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elisabetta de blasi Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 1:04 PM |
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questo paese ha abbandonato la sua forma democratica, a favore di una DITTATURA che si permette di decidere arbitrariamente della vita dei cittadini. Il governo ha deliberatamente lasciato fare ai black blocs ciò che hanno voluto per provocare reazioni violente da parte della polizia, e per poter rimuovere "giustamente" i vertici della polizia, in quanto inadatti perchè nominati nella precedente legislatura. Questa manovra politica abietta, ci riporta agli anni più bui del nostro paese. Ormai sappiamo cos'è la STRATEGIA DELLA TENSIONE, e quali sono i suoi usi politici. Questa è la mia opinione.
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NeuFashister!
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Mi. fram Gothenburg Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 3:09 PM |
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What was happend in Gothenburg and what is happening in Genoa, disclosed the real face of "neo liberalism=neo fashism" behind there democratic states masks, as I notise jast the polices, Fashists and politician are against the democratical actions and institutions like IMC . YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT . VIVA LIBERTAD.
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STAY UNITED
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Ryan Graham Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 10:59 PM |
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The main stream media and the governments of the industrialized countries have done an excellent job of presenting an image of an anti-globalization movement divided by "violelent" and "peaceful" protesters. It is true that some protesters do not aprove of the direct action tactics of the so-called violent protesters, but it has been my experience in Quebec City and North America that the mass majority of all protesters from social action groups to main stream unions supported the actions of all protesters - including the 'stone-throwers'. Although they may not agree with the tactics or actions of all their protesting counterparts, they understanding that everyone is in the same struggle. It has been the policy of the media and government authorities to divide the movement into peaceful and violent protesters. Through this they have been able to justify their suppression of popular discent while at the same time proffessing their support for the "peaceful" demonstators who "unfortunatly" must also suffer because of the actions of the "violent minority". Experiencing a major anti-globalization protest first hand, and being arrested while eating my supper (which apparantly to police equals the charge of "inciting a riot") I am very aware that peaceful or not they want to silence you. This is evident in the incedent at the indimedia centre. With the the economic system representened by the leaders of the G-8, which is directly responsible for the dealths of millions of people around the world - be it the glutonous absorption of the worlds resources by the industrialized world that directly results in the starvation and malnutrition deaths of tens of thousands in the third world daily, or the mass murders by military and paramilitary forces who enforce the rule of the global economy on the poor of the world who choose to resist it. Violence on a catostophic scale is being perpetrated by the economic system controlled by the G-8 nation-states and MNCs. Even if you don't agree with the actions of such protesters as Carlo Guiliani - you must sympathize with the frustration and anger that we feel with this murderous economic system. Regardless if you argree or not this form of resistance will continue to be present at these demonstrations - don't let it divide the movement - support all who resist.
"VIOLENCE IS NOT THE EXCLUSIVE PRESERVE OF THE EXPLOITERS; THE EXPLOITED CAN USE IT, AND WHAT IS MORE SHOULD USE IT..." CHE GUEVARA 1963
PS: Since when did these hipocritical bourgeoisie celebs (ie..Bono, Geldoff) become figure heads of this movement? Thanks but no thanks. You want my respect loose your big bank accounts and join us in the streets!
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When will you ever learn?
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Ok, so now the spoiled brats provoked the police enough. They have their martyr. It´s time to move to stage 2. Real terrorism, kidnappings, bombings etc.
What they can´t understand is that ordinary citizens probably will have even less sympathy for them then they did for the Brigate Rossi and the RAF. Good luck, I´m sure your efforts will be greatly successful, just like your predecessors.
BTW, any police brutality aside, aren´t those behind the cordons democratically elected? What gives a bunch of losers like the Black Block or whatever they call themselves the right to force the G8 meeting to shut down? Am I missing something here?
Those idiots wearing ski-masks claiming to defend the world proletariat are just a bunch of frustrated middle-class kids thinking it´s ok to smash windows because they lack the skills and patience to engage in real political work.
Another funny thing, Jason d'Eon praying for "El Che" to come back from the dead? I wonder what would happen if a bbunch of snotty teenagers went on a looting and burning spree in Havana? I'm sure the Cuban police would be sooooooooo understanding. Praying for El Che, that sounds pretty much like religion to me, but maybe that´s was this anarchist philosophy really is: pseduoreligious mumbojumbo
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I'm italian, I just want to say to all the world thath what is appened is Genoa is PURE FASCISM. The Berlusconi Governement is made by Fascists, and Criminals (mafiosi). ... Spread this all over !!!! OttettO From Rome. Pagherete caro, Pagherete tutto.
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freedom of the press
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Tony Mullen Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 11:59 AM |
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July 21 2001 will be remembered as the day when the corporate elites and their political lackies dropped the charade about freedom of expression and a free press. I have yet to hear commentary, let alone coverage, of this attack on independent media by media baron Burloscini's police in the mainstream media. Only ABC Radio National announced the attack this morning but by evening, ABC TV was silent on this important issue. This surely is an act of desparation by the dicredited power elites who have now turned to overt violence and intimidation to squash alternate ideas being expressed. The parallels between this and what has been happening in Zimbabwe are uncanny. This is surely the beginning of the end.
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UK coverage - BBC News 24 video footage 2.00pm/Sunday
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simon Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 12:09 PM |
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I've been following this story from home in the UK, checking indymedia after I got up and keeping an eye on the TV media.
BBC News 24 has been mentioning the raid this morning, but has only just (2.00pm) transmitted footage - showing blood stained peole (mainly women) being lead away through large amounts of police.
I can only hope that they keep running this footage, and that they dig deeper to uncover (and show) the truth of what went on there.
Simon.
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Wellcome my friends
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Pinonet Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 12:09 PM |
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Bienvenidos al mundo globalizado!!!!!! Esto es algo de lo que te puede pasar si no piensas como ellos, comes como ellos, gastas como ellos y explotas y humillas como ellos. Ten cuidado porque la democracia de las grandes potencias te cuidan como a un niño, ya que si no haces lo que papa te dice te da una paliza para que aprendas lo que tienes que hacer de ahora en mas. Y cuidado porque además de pegarte cobardemente, dicen que tambien eres violento. Basta de mentiras!!!!!!!!!!
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Finnegan ( Rome) Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 12:26 PM |
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What Italian police did in this night is the symbol of their inefficiency, and of their fear of truth. "Stole" ( that's what they did) hard disks with lawyers dichiarations on police violences and infiltrations of the "famous" black blocs, can only prove what I said. To legalize their actions, as the same, they made up the show of the violent peoples founded in the nearby school... truth is far form this, but italian media take this for truth... it's horrible, it's an evident negations of the basilar rights of a Republic as Italy must be! So, keep tv on, and see what else they show on next time !
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errori
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sabrina Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 12:31 PM |
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mai più accordi preliminari, ci siamo fatti infinocchiare permettendo al governo di preparare un piano da strategia della tensione. Bisognava andare di sorpresa in una Roma sguarnita durante l'incontro preliminare al G8 (ma centrale perchè penso che i veri accordi siano stati presi lì) dei ministri degli esteri.
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attakko alla demokrazia
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alberto Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 12:33 PM |
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penso non si debba neanke kommentare un immagine kosì eloquente. + di un diritto di libertà è stato violato. + di una persona inkarcerata (o peggio pikkiata) ingiustamente dalle forze dell'ordine. la verità sta venendo fuori. spero ke l'opinione pubblika si sdegni kome noi ke siamo stati presenti a genova. forse solo kosì potranno kambiare le kose e fare luce sulle vorgogne kommesse in questi giorni.
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The Empire strikes back
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liam Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 1:02 PM |
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Alaric was right, the barbarians are behind the gate.Its been a long and winding road from before Caesar was marchin' through Gaul to Wounded Knee,Chiapas and now Genoa.It takes a long time for a culture to get so sick.Healing even longer.What then must we do?Walk away from Omelas.In your droves.Those who seek to supress the truth are only lying to themselves.Do not seek out their faces for they are faceless and OLD.Let the world see that even in the heart of Mordor there burns a flame of resistance.Let the Earth take heart that not all her children have lost their way. For Carlo No Paseran
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SBIRRI BASTARDI
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SADA Wednesday, Jul. 25, 2001 at 5:56 PM |
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Someone is reckoning
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Francesco Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2001 at 3:37 PM |
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did you notice that after the summit and the demonstrations, everyone had their share of fame? The "real" protesters, those who press said be pacific, were haunted by few anarchists; the eight leaders agreed that the poors of the world had to be helped; the large media said they worked in a riot environment and now people knew what being a journalist means... The police and the MILITARY organisation carabinieri delivered the images of the violence they have to suffer in order to keep citizens' security...The city of Genoa will now receive a refund of 20 millions $ (more or less) Everyone worked to help others and everyone had to suffer violence: me thinks that Black Bloc is formed by angels and saints; since their doing is what brought us (indeed the average mind) to the point of praise every part of this summit
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only fear
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ale Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 1:36 PM |
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I have left genoa tonite...i feel bad what i saw there is incredible...everyone have been beaten by police...I don' t believe what i saw...really shocked...the police really did not engage battle whith the black block...yhey left them do everything only for descrediting all the movement...i saw it whit my eyes... astonished...
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ERIC, ma l'hai mai avuta una mamma ?
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Mario Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 2:05 PM |
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Caro Eric, nessuno in tutta la tua vita ha mai acarezzato la tua testolona ? Anziché leggerti le fiabe della buona notte ti picchiavano ? Qualche evento nefasto ha sconvolto la tua esistenza ?
Probabilmente non ha nemmeno 14 anni e non fai altro che reagire all'odio con il quale sei stato addestrato.
Cambia finché sei intempo altrimenti farai un brutta fine.
(per gli altri: scusate lo sfogo, ci sarebbero migliaia di altre cosa da dire ma come convinto obbiettore di coscienza non riesco a non indignarmi ...)
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Freedom to report the truth
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The Lorax Friday, Jul. 27, 2001 at 12:54 AM |
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I am writing this to express my concern regarding the G8 Summit.
It is shameful that our independent news reporters cannot report the events as they occur. This blantant attempt to censor live news events is a travesty of justice. But, it goes without saying that violence begets violence. I am not discounting the loss of a protester---a young man from Italy known to friends and family as Carlo Giuliani. But, we MUST remain calm.
We must use these events, as they unfold, to our advantage. We must continue to report these events no matter what the consequences may be. I support the IMC in Italy, and elsewhere. If it were not for them we would not be so well-informed.
However, the death of one protester does not give others the license to create more havoc and chaos. There are scores of peaceful demonstrators whose lives were put in danger when the Black Bloc used the tactics of violence to express their contempt and disgust with the G8. By doing so, the Italian security forces used the Black Bloc's actions as a reason for their own actions of violence and media suppression.
If we remain calm, protest peacefully, and commit to solidarity we can and will be successful. This is only the beginning. Be true to the cause, do not let your emotions overwhelm you, if we do then we are lost in this battle.
The leaders of the G8 will use the large media conglomerates to show the "world" that we are crazed, rabid criminals, when that is not the case. Independent journalists in Genoa, and around the world, know this to be true. Sacrificing your body to report news events has been a characteristic of the greatest news reporters in the past and in the present. News reporters place their lives on the line everyday in countries all over the world---from Indonesia to Genoa. These photos if distributed to the world will show others the horrible actions of mistreatment and abuse handed down by the Italian security forces.
Spread the word----send the photos to family, friends, email groups, your local leaders, anyone. If we voice our concerns in this manner, then these news events will have more focus drawn to them. This is the first of many steps in this struggle. But act responsibly---do not give the security forces more ammo to use against our cause. Do not let the security forces show to the world that we are crazed lunatics who've brought this on ourselves. If we do, then the cause is lost. The governments will spread half-truths to the media---many mainstream media are corporate-owned or state run.
It is to the governments advantage that we act in a malicious and violent manner. Let the government and their security forces act that way. And in response send out reports of their actions. But remain calm and cool.
We have hundreds of thousands of supporters who believe in what we are doing. That is only a small fraction of the millions who need our help and support.
Remain committed...remain calm...remain rational.
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Depressed
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danbrett2000@hotmail.com Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 2:23 PM |
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This weekend has made me feel very depressed. Two comrades have been killed, two more added to the list. I just feel like giving up on this movement. We'll never convince politicians to work towards a more harmonious, equitable, free and sustainable world. We'll never be able to destroy their war machines. What is the fucking point? Should we all try to crawl back into our mediocre existence and struggle on, because all this misery seems too much to bear?
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Unnecessary... on both sides.
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While it is more than obvious that police actions against IMC and other media outlets are extremely out of line, it seems to me this is a result of police reaction to hordes of violent protesters.
And while I support those peaceful protesters involved in the situation, I can not help but wonder why everyone allows themselves to be controlled by those "protesters" there only to incite violence. Supposedly over a hundred thousand protesters, with only a few thousand of those being identified as 'anarchists' and there solely to incite physical confrontations with the police.
I am strongly under the belief that marching down a street, destroying both public and private property, and confronting and attacking police serves very little purpose to what anyone is trying to accomplish.
I am aware the such events are a result of a minority of participants in the protest, but nonetheless, this minority is crippling the entire body of protesters, not only inciting the police to use further force, but taking away all attention from the inner-workings of the summit itself -- taking away any attention from the people's opinions on these events and issues. With this, the only results are the continued escalation of police and military presence, in reaction to what they consider a "threat to the state."
Do not allow these individuals with only violence on their minds to reduce the power, words, and solidarity of everyone as a whole.
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let's try to remember
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people rising up against well-organized systems of exploitation and repression, and the ensuing violence of State reaction (including murder) is nothing terribly new. Not that it should not be shocking. This is indeed shocking. This is high-profile, and people are taking pictures and making a web site.
In indigenous communities all over the world, where people are trying to protect their land, way of life, children, people resist. Mining companies hire right-wing ex-military thugs, or the state military itself, to repress any resistence to their exploitation of the people and its resources. Many times those who resist, in desperation, throw rocks, sticks, whatever they have. Many times these people are killed with bullets. The major media doesn't cover this.
Let's remember that real democracy left us a long time ago, that fascism was alive and well long before j21.
Carlos gave his life for a better world.
This is an outrage, but no more outrageous than that which happens all the time in less spotlighted circumstances.
One more thing, to all of you who can't handle a diversity of tactics. there is a globalized system of murder and exploitation in place, and it wants to become stronger. making war on it, in whatever way possible, by whichever means necessary, weakens it and exposes its contradictions to the public. either go to your offices and keep writing letters or lobbying or writing policy or whatever the fuck you do, or join us in the streets. put your hearts with the people you claim to "represent".
in the fullest solidarity.....my heart is in Genoa....
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revolution can not be stopped by state violence
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"they can kill the revolutionary but they can't kill the revolution"-----"our resistance is as global as your oppression"--the second quote taken from a banner at the FTAA protest in Quebec,Canada. We on the left need to seriously revise our approach to protests in the darkness of such rampant brutal state sponsored police violence---good people are getting hurt badly and killed.We got to take care of each other and we are facing an escalating violent police state.I don't know the answer or how we can protect ourselves from the violent cops,but we have got to talk between ourselves in the Left and find an answer.May be there isn't a way to stop the state's repression until radical revolution takes place--every mass movement for change in the world's history has faced violent repression from the state, from early radical Christianity,the labor movement,vietnam war protests(kent state and jackson state),the murder of Martin Luther King by the U.S. government, to the murders by the cops in Genoa. We need global nonviolent work stoppages and strikes to topple the corporate state--but im sure that will be met with state violence,too.We on the Left need to find an answer.
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To: Old Enough
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Jason d'Eon Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 3:54 PM |
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In reply to your article "When will you ever learn?"
"[T]hose behind the cordons democratically elected" have broken promises and corrupted for the sake of their own riches rather than for the people. I believe that your claim that the people with "ski-masks claiming to defend the world proletariat" is a gross generalization.
Meanwhile, "praying" for Ernesto Guevara "to come back from the dead" was not what I had stated. To presume that I am a "snotty teenagers [who] went on a looting and burning spree in Havana" is, again, a huge and ignorant generalization. Perhaps this "Old Enough" person is not brave enough to announce his/her own name to this forum. And I would prefer if he or she would send me an email instead of stupidly manipulating what I written as a dogmatic prayer. It was rather the call for justice. Clearly is this individual uneducated in communications and without political tactic. Again, if you have a comment on what I have to say please email me as well. It is only fair to do so. So please reach me at jp_deon@alcor.concordia.ca if you want to criticize my point of view as well as to post it on the web. Thank you.
Jason d'Eon: an individual who does not fear posting his name on a website.
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...how stupid i was!!!
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...i arrived from Genova this aftrenoon, and still feeling like awakening from a nightmare...but there's a bad taste in my mouth...something is changed in me, like i saw something i didn't want to see...i'm fucking scared. It's like nothing's gonna be the same any more from this point. I saw people arriving in our campus after demonstrations all three days, and it was just like looking to the faces of worriors coming from the battle they've lost. I refuse to see us as warriors and consider our longing for freedom as fight, war. I saw a war, blood, injustice, I've been there and i'm SICK OF IT...but i was a stupid beliving that there's a still a sign of humanity in those whashed up cups' brains (i mean, they are humans after all)...how STUPID...STUPID...STUPID i was. Brutal machinery of death and violence, that's what they are. And when it comes to Black Block (the one i saw in Genoa!)...they are no anarchists,these are bunch of frustrated teenagers (and as i've heard, infiltrated cups, provocators!!). I won't say anything on their attacks on banks, shop windows, but i hate how they bring into danger people on the streets (i'm talking not only of peacefull protestors with their white painted raised hands). Their rioting wasn't organised, there was no solidarity with other people, they would just appeared, threw some rocks, set some cars on fire and run away, leaving people smashed with teargass by cups. That's no anarchy if you ask me. Never before i have been so worried with the future of our "movement"(i hate this word)...there's a really, really bad picture in the public...and if you think that the oppinion of "ordinary" people doesn't matter,...i think that's wrong, that excluding of enyone of "them" is unffair, totallitarian reasoning made from the "we are the chosen ones" point of view...maybe we should all learn something from this...i don't want to create a new world for all the people from "outside", i want to invite them to join us in that new creation which is far above police-state brutality and fascistic authority.
love you all
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I sought to rate a comment on this site and received the following message "I have detected that you have rated this story today already. Please come back tommorrow, as I have not rated this article There has been 1 rating(s) on this article today from your IP 216.231.32.98."
This is not true. You must be dynamically allocating IPs on your site, and many people being blocked from interaction as a result. I am too lazy to drop my connection, redial and find this commentary again.
Is there anything you can do to refine your effort to filter people "stuffing the ballot box" so to speak?
You are the next version of shortwave radio. We need you, but do need technical refinement and more articulate offerings...
Good luck.. just a comment from someone who thinks you are needful, but that sometimes the generic frustrated expressions of contributors ... add nothing new to the worldwide conversation... only reiterations.
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i honestly feel sick each time i read about the police attacks against organizers. im also skeptical about whether the multivarious 'left' -- in all its diversity -- can withstand such violent and systematic efforts by the police state to eliminate us. WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT MUST BE DONE? esp in DC during Sept? do 'we' have any means to communicate with each other? while i recognize that diversity is one strength, it also diversifies all groups, to the point where 'we' cant communicate with each other. i hope my statement is clear, because i'd really like to listen to others responses.
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You people are just as bad as the cops !
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Not important Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 5:28 PM |
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by cryst 9:35am : "Next time we make it the cops blood on the walls!!! And we don't provoke only defend."
You just don't get it do you, you people should have never allowed these riots to happen.
Instead of making a difference, you became just as bad as the police by starting the riots in the first place. I think it is a very bad thing that they have to transform a city into a prison simply because a couple of people want to "protest".
The only difference between you and the police is that the police have better weapons, and you destroy property of hard working people.
You all should be very proud of yourself !
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sadness and anger
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The events of the past several days show how thugs in both the Italian "security" apparatus, as well as the protesters, sullied the proceedings with carnage. Maybe now the G8 leaders will understand the heightened frustration of common folks at being left out of deliberations on the many facets of globalization, and that there are sociocultural facets of globalization, not merely economic ones. When I heard Bush smugly remark that the policemen and women in Italy had been put in place to guard "democratically-elected" leaders, I wondered whether he doesn't have a conscience, doesn't care, is brain-dead, or a little bit of all of these things. The arrogance and short-sightedness of my nation's leaders on issues such as small arms proliferation (re/the just-ended conference at the UN), "smart" sancitons against Iraq (thank God that failed!), ballistic missile "defense", Kyoto, the CTBT, u.s.w., is astounding. My heart goes out to the family of the young man who was murdered, along with all of the other innocent victims on ALL sides. Everyone, please pray and work for peace. Sometimes I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country that people around the globe increasingly disrespect and loathe. But then I feel eternally greatful that the First Amendment to our nation's Constitution guarantees us the right to peaceably assemble, among other things. I sincerely hope that this occurs in the coming months in Qatar and other places where such diverse groups will converge. Peace everone.
"What a piece of work is a man, and how easily his conscience betrays him. He listens to the voice of duty--and what he hears is the license of passion." (Thomas Mann, "The Magic Mountain")
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We are many, they are few - the key to stopping violence
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Cinzia Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 2:10 PM |
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Our strength in the anti-capitalist movement - We are many, they are few. The rich in the G8 countries and across the world have the police to defend them as we have seen at Genoa & most of the media to parrot their lies. But we have the advantage of numbers & we must now do all we can to spread the movement to the widest possible number of people, including our grandparents and schoolkids.
Berlusconi and the other G8 leaders are scared stiff of the anti-capitalist movement spreading to ordinary trade union members (which is why they have gone berzerk with their violence to try and put people off protesting and to try to create a split in the movement with the official media reports on 'trouble-makers seeking violence') - remember in Quebec that the torture of the people they arrested at the anti-FTAA protest stopped immediately once the trade unions put pressure on the police since the bosses and politicians know that it's ordinary working people who produce the wealth in society and that united with the workers, we can take the G8 assassins' power, money, guns away from them.
The rich & powerful defeated the anti-capitalist movement in the 1960s because they managed to divide us up and some of the best in the movement got impatient and turned to terrorism to get revenge.
It takes longer to convince more and more people and create a mass movement than to set up a terrorist network but it's the only way for us to get rid of capitalism and replace it with something nicer. We need to expand the movement to MILLIONS and MILLIONS. Over 98% of the population of this planet will benefit from getting rid of capitalism (and getting rid of capitalism is the only way to save the planet too) so let's get started - words and ideas are weapons as the trashing of the IndyMedia center shows.
Think globally - act locally.
For those of us in Brussels, there's a demo outside the Italian embassy at 19h on Monday (rue Claus 28, 1050 Brussels).
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Demand Investigative Reporting
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Linda Parsons Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 6:58 PM |
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I am so devastated and frightened! I have emailed and called all television and cable news stations, radio stations, and local newspapers I can think of to look at your website. I challenged and demanded them to aid and assist Independent Media and use our public airways to alert and inform citizens of the truth and purpose of the demonstrations,to investigate the truth of the atrocities that are being committed and please give this story in depth coverage and Top Priority. Thank you indymedia for your courage and committment to truth and justice! You are heroes of First Ammendment rights. In solidarity, Linda
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Bush selected, not elected
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Rick Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 7:07 PM |
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Tim- what makes his remark doubly bizarre is that he wasn't elected, but selected by rightists on the Supreme Court who threw out their previous idealogy of states rights just to make sure that their candidate won the election. Judicial corruption of the rankest sort!
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War is hell!!!!
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holly Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 4:39 AM |
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The police only follow orders. We are being forced to "wake up" along with the mainstream! We must work in solidarity -- we must keep long-term objectives in mind -- we must know that if violence in the streets is not forthcoming, the police will invoke it -- through plants if need be. We must not be naive. This has been happening for hundreds of years in the U.S. & around the world. It is more sophisticated & better reported (thanks to an incredible source of media that has sprung up in less than two years). Remember what happened to Daniel Ellsburg when he released the Pentagon Papers in the U.S. THIS IS WAR. The enemy is NOT stupid -- ruthless, narcissistic, a little smug perhaps, but not stupid! Never underestimate the enemy! Don't give up the fight -- it is just beginning.....
If we must struggle & die at the hands of corporate greed & oppression, let it count and let it be heard around the world!!!
Thank you INDYMEDIA -- you are awesome!!!!
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World War III in Italy
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Silverhawk Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 7:40 PM |
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Facism is back and in all its most repressive reactionary forms since World War II where Mousilini and The Facist Party ruled with such repression of speach. The new elite global rulers are taking no chances that their pro-poverty, pro-privatisation, antienvironment, and antidemocratic agenda will be seen in the light of day by US citizens deluded with lies by the consolidated pro-corporate media. The raid on Indy Media in Genoa is proof that a FACIST GLOBALIZATION AGENDA is in progress curently in Italy; and don't fool yourself. The FACIST GOLBALIZATION AGENDA is in progress curently in YOUR City, town, or village!
STOP THE PLUNDER'S NOW!!!!!!!!
Read the history of Revolutions in Europe. The REAL HISTORY THAT CORPORATE ELITES DO NOT WANT US TO KNOW.
"WORLD REVOLUTION" The author is female. This book is about the great authors that brought us the French Revolution, among other revolutions, and how the anarchists are used to overthrough rulers and then discarded to the side when power is grabbed again by another facist state in the making ie. United States, Russia, England, ___________, and World Trade Organization.
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I know the peices fit.
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ancestorswithunknownnames Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 7:47 PM |
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smashed windows didnt provoke repression. real political power did (along with the success of the right in american politics). thousands of autonimous people in the streets of major city's all over the world for several years now is a threat to the state and the autoritarian left. The media and state has focused all of its pressure in an appearant crack in the left about property destruction. In america the lack of community orginization in allot of poor white areas makes this possible, as we don't seem to have contributed to the lives of real people and so arent relateable. Of course in the richest country in the world helping real people without useing the tools of capitalism is next to impossible. American counterterrorism is concentrateing it's defense against supposed domestic terrorism against what they call anarchists in order to squash the part of this movement that has the most potential to effect real change. And the authoritarian leftist cults like the ISO are right there to fuel the devide with dogma about anarchists bringing repression on themselves, and they will leave us in the streets to die. if you are a member of a group that is telling you that anarchists are agents provocatuers, please know that the movement is everywhere, much bigger than these demos suggest, much of it is very deep below the ground. beleive none of what you here and half of what you see. You are your only master. Revolution is not a game, be prepaired to hide everything and arm your friends. the mask is off and the people know what they want. we are attacking them from every direction at once and the parisite will be killed. from the most subtle social pressures to the most horrific acts of violence, I-cocroaches evolve! the future is here, who decides what it is, is the only question. We have allways been more wise than the adicted. stay in solidarity respect for those of your own heart is resect for yourself. counter-revolution is only a decision away allways. fight for your family and yourself, trust noone to do it for you or to lead you only you know you're best interest. become someone who can trust her own judgement. Life will prevail. prepaire to defend life with violence. return every blow now we have the power. the sun is on your back.
my joy for those liberated in death is tarnished by our betrayal of them in life.
viva magon! (who was left to die in prison), in the spirit of 76
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Quit spending time and effort here...
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Brian Sunday, Jul. 22, 2001 at 11:04 PM |
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and spread the word to all you know-- we here on this page know the scoop and we can bitch about it til we are all blue in the finger :)...we need to get this word out to people who dont know-- dont realize-- and generally dont care--- show them what is happening and get them mad as hell--
this is how it all started in 1760's in america-- the mob began protesting--- these were the poor, the unrepresented-- they continued to protest and got used to the idea- and after a decade or so- they were so good at it- and so organized- they were ready to take on the largest empire in the world....
now is the time my friends....
THE REDCOATS ARE COMING!!!!!!!!
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This atrocity was planned by men in suits.
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jimmy kelly Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 2:20 PM |
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The brutality in Genoa is an expression of the intentions to smash by terror the gathering assemblies of those protesting against the corrupt carving up of the worlds resources by the political representatives of capitalism. This was blurted out by the Irish "Justice" Minister, John O'Donoghue, last week when he returned from a meeting of European security ministers and boasted that plans were made to ensure that there would be deterrants to end protests such as that in Sweden. The responsibility of democrats across the planet is to respond by united mass actions linking the emerging protest organisations of youth with the traditional organisations of workers , the trades unions, the socialist and labour political parties, the greens and the anarchists , and to join and seek to replace those leaders within these organisations who fail to lead. There should also begin a debate on the use of international strikes and boycotts of the trade and commerce of the states who use vicious repression to deny the exploited and underprivledged their RIGHTS to protest against their miseries. Hit them where it hurts most,........ in their pockets!
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i hate when my comp wrecks
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Kenneth Burningham Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 1:59 AM |
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My computer wrecked after I typed out a long one so anyway here is the summary.
-Corporate media reports mostly violence because they know that their average viewer will be disgusted with it.(they want their viewer disgusted with the protesters because we are protesting Capitialism, and they thrive on it.Duh!)
-So violent protesters dont you think it would do alot more good(get our message accepted, understood, and grow)by not being violent?
-Myself I would be a violent young "anarchist"if provoked(who says anarchists are to blame, anarchism isnt total choas in my opinion, I believe it is a society with no hierachy, unlike Genoa 8 people more powerful then 100,000)
-My condolences to the people in indymedia, the family and friends of the protester killed, and anyone injuried in the protest, keep up the good work.......................anyone want me to help them with anything email me at nicolebabcock@iloveu.co.uk
ps-i like in sask. canada
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FOR CHRISSAKES, FIGHT BACK!!!!!!!
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Leon Czolgosz Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 3:38 AM |
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Alright. We've seen what the capitalists and their guard wolves can do when they feel like making their point. Now I tihnk its time we show what we can do when we want to make a point. The internat. media has already branded anarchists & everyone like us criminals; we might as well start fighting back against these bastards. They have already killed Carlo Giuliani; how many more will die? We must take revenge, if only to show them we CAN fight back. These sonsofbitches are trampling the free world, and altho it goes against my pacifist instincts, i say the time for compromise is over. These pictures remind me of the last open radio operator out of Prague in '68, valiantly broadcasting despite the russians at the door. REFORM IS SHIT. PROPAGANDA OF THE DEED IS OUR ONLY OPTION. THEY ARE KILLING US. FIGHT BACK!!!!!! "it will come, it will come, every bourgeoise will have his bomb!" -French song of the 1880s. ------a comrade of the protestors, from Chicago, ready & willing to commit a propaganda of the deed for our cause.
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When is far enough ??????!!!!!!!!!!
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mindhouse (Auckland new Zealand) Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 7:18 AM |
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What doesn't kill us can only make us stronger. The bullshit lies propaganda that passes as news is damage control. The truth is that our victory this is bigger than we imagine. We have placed an obstacle in the way of neo facist/liberal interest serving governments. TRUTH. Things cant go on this way forever. The long term is that poweris unstable when it is concentrated in the hands and dollars of a few, this systems gonna collapse under its own weight. G8 Gsf Fuck the power concentrations. Vive La Anarchy
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avete appena iniziato
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liam Saturday, Jul. 28, 2001 at 12:26 PM |
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avete appena iniziato a prendere le prime manganellate dalle guardie e gia' vi lamentate.. fino a poco tempo fa' stava a baccetto con i vostri amici.. con uno schifo di governo che puniva solo la destra e dava spazio ai vostri inutili e infantili slogan.. non sapete cosa sono gli arresti le denunce le botte le cariche... le nottate dentro... volete la lotta.. non vi lamentate non siate sempre vittime... di cosa poi? e poi voi donne... andate a casa.. non siatre ridicole... basta con questo vittimismo coi lamenti e con le inutili manifestazioni di rabbia che portano solo alla perdita di denaro della povera gente..
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bullet in the head
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Manfred Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 8:40 AM |
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There are so many comments mentioning that there might be some sort of justification for the police brutality in Genoa. Please think about what your are saying. The "system" wants to divide us into good and bad protesters, while we are all together attacking the system with different means. But do you need more proof than given the last days for: where does violence come from? It is part of capitalism. You cant exploit, murder, destroy and repress without violence. The rage against this machine is more than understandable. What we need to learn is, that we need more strenghts to fight capitalism, we cant fight it on the streets forever. We need the organized workers to initiate mass strikes. And peaceful workers were attacked by the police as well, so i am sure it wont take long until they radicalize and take up the fight.
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grazie a dio un po' di giustizia!
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Dario PUNKaneda Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 11:40 AM |
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RAGAZZI NON SO VOI... MA IO ME LO SAREI ASPETTATO, BERLUSCONI PUTROPPO E' UN FASCISTA DEL CAZZO! LO DIMOSTRA L'ALLEANZA CON AN E CON RAUTI, QUESTA PERO' E' STATA LA GOCCIA CHE HA FATTO TRABOCCARE IL VASO! HO TROPPA RABBIA IN CORPO PER POTER RAGIONARE E FORSE E' QUESTA LA RAGIONE CHE MI FA RIBOLLIRE IL SANGUE NELLE VENE E MI FA VENIRE VOGLIA DI DISTRUGGERE TUTTO.. MI SONO INCAZZATO ANCORA DI PIU' VEDENDO IL TG4 E SENTENDO FEDE CHE DICEVA: "NOI VOGLIAMO LANCIARE MESSAGGI..." MA CHE CAZZO DI TG SIETE? UN TELEGIORNALE NON DEVE MANDARE MESSAGGI UN TELEGIORNALE DEVE FARE SOLO INFORMAZIONE NON DEVE DARE INSEGNAMENTI! VADO A MESSA SE VOGLIO SENTIRE INSEGNAMENTI... ANCHE SE DEVO DIRE CHE EMILIO FEDE MI SEMBRA TANTO UN SACERDOTE DELLA RELIGIONE BERLUSCONIANA! RAGAZZI DOBBIAMO ORGANIZZARE LA RIVOLTA! MORTE AL FASCISMO!
CAMICIE NERE NON HO PAURA DI VOI! MI CHIAMO DARIO DI NARDO! E VOGLIO GIUSTIZIA!
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WHO ARE THE VIOLENT ANARCHISTS?
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ACCESSTRUTH Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 2:26 PM |
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If the US Army can infiltrate CNN and manipulate news production, then they can also dress like anarchist protesters wearing masks and create chaos. This makes great TV coverage of violent protesters and gives the police reason for coming down on peaceful demonstrators forcefully. The Powers That Be are ruthless and will do whatever it takes to maintain their status quo and use whatever resources necessary to achieve their goals. They must be threatened by the people's movement if they have to destroy an independent media source to keep the truth from coming out. This is a WAR! A war between the people exercising their right to speak and be heard and their dictating rulers using the police to silence them in the streets with tear gas, rubber bullets, water cannons, and other military tactics. The police who are supposedly paid to protect and serve the public are only protecting the interests of Corporations and Politicians. Carlo Giuliani is a victim from the front lines of this War. He was gunned down in the streets in front of cameras and to cover up their violence, they attacked independent journalist and activist leaders.
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WHO ARE THE ANARCHISTS?
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ACCESSTRUTH Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 2:56 PM |
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If the US Army can infiltrate CNN and manipulate news production, then they can also dress like anarchist protesters wearing masks and create chaos. This makes great TV coverage of violent protesters and gives the police reason for coming down on peaceful demonstrators forcefully. The Powers That Be are ruthless and will do whatever it takes to maintain their status quo and use whatever resources necessary to achieve their goals. They must be threatened by the people's movement if they have to destroy an independent media source to keep the truth from coming out. This is a WAR! A war between the people exercising their right to speak and be heard and their dictating rulers using the police to silence them in the streets with tear gas, rubber bullets, water cannons, and other military tactics. The police who are supposedly paid to protect and serve the public are only protecting the interests of Corporations and Politicians. Carlo Giuliani is a victim from the front lines of this War. He was gunned down in the streets in front of cameras and to cover up their violence, they attacked independent journalist and activist leaders.
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I'm an italian student,just come back to Milan Saturday night after 2 horrible days. I thoght everything was finished but when I woke up on Sunday morning I've got this terrible news. I'm fed up of a governement so strong, who I can't opposite to, that make me afraid instead of thinking to its citizens and help them. I'm totally sorry for the people who was in the school last night, I can't believe it could be happen. Now I'm going to the demonstration in Milan, I hope we will have the possibility of saying what we think and what we feel. I feel a strong sadness and the sense of not having the power for struggle against all this violence, physical and ideological.
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welcome to italy
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time to give them huge weapons so they can kill kill kill what will move until they are left alone. this is no work of a mind of a family father or communicative oriented. they just let out their animal ignoring the place they are. it's a mess, welcome italian macho
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patrick&simone.oi Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 7:31 PM |
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primo non perdete tempo a rispondere a quattro idioti sfigati che , se va bene, sanno a malapena leggere. per quello che riguarda il pensare, siamo nel campo dell'irrealtà più spinta; di conseguenza... non sprechiamo energie e pensiamo secondo. domenica: massacro prevedibile e organizzato. non sarebbe stato , dopo i fatti del giorno prima più interessante il deserto? genova deserta 20.000 poliziotti a grattarsi il c. sotto il sole... fa caldo a luglio. in comèpagnia di sedicenti black block, neonazi infiltrati e pulotti travestiti per l'occasione. magari per sbaglio picchiavano qualche fascistello infiltrato. i 300.000 a sorpresa a milano, bologna roma o dove si voleva. difficile da fare ma non impossibile. sicuramente meglio del massacro e con un impatto mediatico notevole. che brutto parlare di impatto mediatico dopo un morto... forse meglio il silenzio?
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Ve lo siete cercato
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Von Clausevitz Monday, Aug. 06, 2001 at 5:51 AM |
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Avete dichiarato guerra allo Stato, e vi meravigliate se lo Stato vi risponde cosi'? Ma che vi siete fumati?
Questo e' solo il principio. Ricordatevi: voi non siete nessuno, non rappresentate nessuno, nemmeno il vostro Agnoletto trombato alle elezioni politiche.
Ci sono minimo 19 milioni di italiani che sono contro di voi. Piu' 600.000 genovesi (che non voteranno certo piu' a sinistra.... una volta basta!).
Voi non volete aiutare i poveri. Voi volete imporre a tutti la vostra ideologia farneticante. Ma non riuscirete ad impoverire spiritualmente ed economicamente il mondo.
Nascondetevi... e' meglio!
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What do you expect?!
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Laura Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 9:50 PM |
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Io sono sconvolta per quello che è successo, d'altronde dovevamo aspettarcelo...da un fascista! Non sono d'accordo con il comportamento di alcuni manifestanti, io sono pacifista, comunque credo che il nostro odiato Berlusconi prima di criticare troppo gli anti-global dovrebbe fare un esamino di coscenza a se stesso e a quelle testoline delle sue forze dell'ordine!!! Mi sembrano cani (chiedo scusa ai cani, quelli veri!): eseguono gli ordini che arrivano dall'alto... ma la propria testa?! Stento a credere che siano tutti così idioti da non capire che comportandosi così passano dalla parte del torto! Se qualcuno dovesse riuscire ad eliminare Berlusconi...lo faccia sapere: voglio fargli una statua!
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tony misfit (rapid city, SD) Monday, Jul. 23, 2001 at 9:53 PM |
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Please consider doing whatever you can think of to aid in this effort and global resistance. I know many of you are already are working in sugnificant ways - it will be a life long struggle for us, I believe. Remember Carlo Giuliani and millions of others in your thoughts and actions. This may sound like a strange appeal to some, but this struggle is getting deeper, I believe it needs to become a new movement (non hierarchal), to create the radical social, political, cultural, and most of all economic change that is needed to save life on this planet as we know it.
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Como en México et al
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Dante Wednesday, Jul. 25, 2001 at 1:52 AM |
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Ahora resulta que los paises que nos dictan las recetas utilizan las estrategias de los paises deviles. Los grupos de choque al mas vulgar estilo latinoamericano: porros en las universidades, pseudoestudiantes que le lamen los huevos a los gobernantes en turno con tal de ganar algunos pesos, pequeños puestos o cualquier migaja que cae de la mesa de los poderosos; Paramilitares, hombres en su mayoria que por un poco de droga o dinero le dan las nalgas a los que los pisan y someten, a los que les quitan el pan y les regresan un pedazo duro con tal de que los protejan; antorchistas, grupos de comerciantes, colonos o gente pobres sin casa ni trabajo que con promesas denigrantes los obligan a enfrentar a sus hermanos no solo de etnia sino de clase social. Ahora en Barcelona y en Genova los del color del dinero pagan (con dinero, droga o impunidad) a jovenes y no tan jovenes igual de afectados economicamente pero sin dignidad para justificar la represion. En America Latina estas estrategias se han dado por devilidad, porque los gobernantes ilegitimos requieren de mucha fuerza policial y militar para intentar frenar lo inminente, pues cuando mas se endurecen es porque mas miedo tienen. 20 mil policias uniformados y quien sabe cuantos disfrazados al servicio de los poderosos (que no llegan a 20 mil en todo el mundo) nunca seran suficientes para detenernos, estamos en todos lados y los infiltrados, grupos de choque, porros, antorchistas, pazyjusticias, paramilitares, black blocks y demas lame huevos no nos detendran. Carlo no es el primer ni ultimo muerto del G-7 y 1/4 Africa, India, Haiti, America Latina, Chiapas etc, tienen una lista infinita. G-7 y 1/4 MORIRA, MORT, DEAD
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if we al spit together we'll drown the bastards
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justgotbackfromgenoa - a london worker Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2001 at 9:56 PM |
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I was at the G8 protests from last Wednesday til yesterday.
It's clear that the capitalists and their puppets in government will do anything to stop our legitimate criticism no doubt including tracing the address of the computer I'm sending this from.
of course they have tried to: (a) sideline reporting of the wonderful and historically huge protests by provoking and exaggerating our violence and (b) scare the shit out of people with THEIR violence: Carlo Guiliani RIP, and the disgusting attack on the IMC/GSF.
Our response must be first to condemn the system over which Bush, Blair, Berlusconi & Co preside - a system which kills 30,000 people each day through poverty, starvation and disease, many of them children.
It's also true that only a minority of the black block comrades were involved in relatively pointless violence - the attacks on lufthansa, banks and so on are legitimate. but i think activists of all left/radical persuasions must learn lessons from the last few days; we need much more unity in action, more communication between the groups and less undemocratic (in the true sense) action by small minorities which lock us in a pointless cycle of action and reaction with the state which takes the struggle no further.
if we could persuade the 300,000 who took to the streets saturday to take part in direct action - especially organised workers, as happened to an extent in quebec - then we can really stop these bastards from killing and hospitalising us. there is plenty of scope for this to happen, and I'm sure that UK workers will soon be confronting Blair's privatisation drive with action, but we must build these links where we work and live and fuse our energy and ideas with the power of organised working class people to tear the head off this disgusting system of profits and greed.
big up everybody sticking their neck out for a better world, love and strength to carlo's family & friends and all those still in hospital or jail.
see you at the action outside the Labour Party conference in Brighton UK on September 30th? (called by Greens, GR, Socialist Alliance & more)
B!
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disgusting distructuion of democracy
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cyber citizen Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2001 at 12:56 AM |
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This, combined with the previous photos with blood on the walls and reports of the attack on 50 sleeping people is a heartbreaking/disgusting display of the disrespectfull extremes these 'mercenary' thugs working under the guise of 'government policing' will go in their viciuos attempt to yank the heart out of the people who deeply desire a truely democratic, economically fair/just and ecologically sustainable world for all. Stay strong!! Keep hope and love alive!! from oceans away the thousands that where in Seattle are with you in spirit NOW!!
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IMC in the GSF
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Bonnie Johnston Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2001 at 2:25 AM |
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This destructive, brutal conduct of the Italian police toward peacful protestors is really firightening. I am greatful that indy media was able to get any story out after having their equipment destroyed and lives threatened. What is really scary is that none of this is being covered in US papers. All of the thugs are trying to destroy evedence and pretend it never happened. Thanks for the good reporting under horrible curcumstances.
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liam Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2001 at 10:08 AM |
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e comunque tutta questa rabbia non vi portera' certo a cambiare il mondo anzi solo a prender altre botte... che tra l'altro non avete mai preso... tutto questo odio per poi distruggere la citta'.. ditemi a cosa serve... ad allontanarvi dalla gente ad essere ghettizzati nelle vostre fogne dei centri sociali.. ma il giovane Carlo non vi ha insegnato nulla... rispettate almeno col silenzio e il rammarico di un vostro amico o almeno compagno caduto per cosa.. per la vostra inutile rabbia pubblicizzata e ordinata da chi vi muove come pupazzi... e tu GERONIMO sicuramente eri in casa a fumarti il cervello.. fai il piacere non parlare... i fatti li vedi in tv con gli amici.. tiri fuori due strilli e popi gia' hai dimenticato tutto.. lascia stare e rispetta che non c'e' piu'... la morte e' uguale per tutti.... abbiate almeno rispetto per i poveri Giuliani... un ragazzo di 23 anni non puo' morire... non puo'! CIAO CARLO
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CARAMELLE AI BAMBINI
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linux user Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2001 at 6:39 PM |
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ho notato il camioncino bianco (non quello delle spranghe... un altro) ha attraversato il corteo indisturbato fino all'inizio del lungomare alla fine di via Felice Cavallotti poi ha distribuito ai manifestanti il suo contenuto: CARTELLI DI PROTESTA se non che questi "cartelli" avevano un grosso manico di legno e il foglio di carta che vi ci era attaccatto cadeva a terra dopo pochi metri, erano piu' BASTONI CAMMUFFATTI da cartelli --- i manifestanti sono stati picchiati disarmati, con un bastone in mano c'era anche LA SCUSA... --- per fortuna pochi hanno preso in mano queste cose ma perche' SONO STATI DISTRIBUITI OLTRE LA META' DEL PERCORSO perche' il FURGONE BIANCO NON RECAVA ALCUNA SCRITTA di riconoscimento?
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The accidental death of an activist
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Hector Ramírez Contreras Wednesday, Jul. 25, 2001 at 5:47 PM |
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There is no form to know it: Car it Giuliani it will happen to the forgetfulness in a matter of months or its death will be remembered like the one of the martyrs of Chicago, or both things, or no. The government of Silvio Berlusconi presents/displays it like an accident of the repression, the globalifóbicos hoist it as the test of the new global totalitarianism and the blood already were cleaned. The common sense of the power would indicate that the street displeasure cannot be fought to shots, that is less expensive - in political terms a descalabrado police that a dead demonstrator and that in the times that run the central virtue of any government is the containment. The detractors of the new world-wide disorder, on the other hand, will have to define themselves of hooligans. In the episode it has been able to find out itself that the movement of global resistance is a salad, also global, of malaises and disagreements that do not manage to determine if his main enemy is the minister of Economy of Germany, the antiriot body of the Italian police or a lettuce genetically modified; it does not know either clearly if their methods to resist the oprobiosa mundialización have to be the fire of the streets, the mobilization does not do violence to, the programming of code for Internet or the pacifist and vegetarian meditation. But the Group of the Eight (G-8) wins to him in confusion to its detractors. In his conformation there is logical criteria nor no coherence: the seven first members of the club are the government or Chiefs of State of the seven main national economies; the eighth, Russian president Vladimir Putin, does not represent the eighth economy, but the second nuclear arsenal of the world, yet and that is in declivity by the oxidation and the accelerated achatarramiento of the equipment. At the end of their meeting in Genoa, and after a dead, hundreds of hurt and several tons of tear gas, G-8 emitted a pink letter in which it offers to put itself to think a way to include to the civil society in the debates on globalización, promises alms of 53 million dollars for the poorest countries and anticipates the creation of a bottom - more substantial, that yes - to fight AIDS. In addition, the most powerful governors recommended the shipment to the Middle East of international observers, a healthful proposal for the mental health of the Israelis and for the physical subsistence of the Palestinians, but that already was vetoed by first and that she would have to be applied also - at sight of the disaster genovés- to same Italy and the successive encounter of G-8 in any point of the planet. The rest of the agenda gave rise to confrontations of clóset between the participants of the meeting. The globalifóbicos have all the political space of the world to generalize, specially now that the police of Berlusconi gave its first martyr to them, but is not the same the renano Capitalism of Schroeder who the texano Capitalism of George W. Bush; the presumed agreement on military toys between Washington and Moscow flock the discords of bottom between the respective governments, and the refusal of the first a to accept the Protocol of Kioto is a greater offense for its European political and economic allies. In the city that calls to each other the cradle of most outstanding (although unconscious) pioneering of the planetary globalidad, the accidental death of a globalifóbico activist reveals the limits and the contradictions of the many-colored movement of global resistance, and at the same time it has placed to G-8 in a paper tristísimo that reveals the impotence of the power: after vindicating their right of free meeting, as if they were beaten and repressed militant poor men, the government and Chiefs of State of the eight powers announce their decision to retire to deliberate in the semisecrecy of Kananaskis, a town of the Canadian province of Alberta. But nothing guarantees that the globalifóbicos do not reach them in that town whose precise geographic location is matter of specialists and that can well be described, consequently like ass of the world.
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TELL YOUR MAMA !!
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sickofitalianfascistmachistbastards Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2001 at 10:31 PM |
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if women have had to stay home I wish that your mother did it the night she fucked some dog and got pregnant.
The ONLY GooD Fascist IS the DEAD Fascist !!
traduzione anche perche' sarai sicuramente un cafone ignorante: (oltre che un bastardo senza ritegno..) era la tua mamma che doveva stare a casa la notte che ha intrapeso rapporti sessuali con l'animale che ti ha generato. per questo soffri pensando che si possa ripetere questo schifo. non ti preoccupare, le altre donne non sono tua mamma.
dio come ti vorrei incontrare..........
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Remove the source of the oppresors power:
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Majesty's Monkey Wednesday, Jul. 25, 2001 at 3:41 AM |
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Expose the reality that at least the U.S. gov't/mil/corp complex has WORKING energy alternatives to fossil fuels, and has for a long time. Don't laugh until you investigate deeply.
http://www.disclosureproject.org http://www.infinite-energy.com
Remember that many citizens view what most of us here see as reality as paranoid and crazy. INVESTIGATE IT YOURSELF. Pull the rug of energy control from under the feet of the elite, and their power crumbles. Power is largely based on a false idea of scarcity of energy (be it electricity, food, water, etc.) that can be hoarded and sold at obscene profit, or withheld as punishment.
http://www.disclosureproject.org http://www.infinite-energy.com
PLEASE, realize that this issue transcends all others, and has the power to catalyze consciousness and level the powers that be. Don't get suckered into seeing it as a frivolous bourgeouis subject. Such a belief can only be a product of the mistaken idea that there is no substance to the issue of free energy. Modern physics shows that the vacuum is a plenum of energy, not a dead void. That vacuum energy CAN be accessed and used. Those who have discovered this have often suffered repression similar to radical political activists. Think about why.
http://www.disclosureproject.org http://www.infinite-energy.com
My friend is a physicist working on these matters. He has had his labs destroyed twice, his career ruined, been framed and jailed illegally. Wonder why.
WAKE UP! Don't assume ideas that you have not deeply investigated are absurd! Remember, others think that about much of what YOU believe in.
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WE ALL NEED YOU!!!
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Partizan Wednesday, Jul. 25, 2001 at 8:49 AM |
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I don't know how news about the facts of Genoa are circulating all over the world,but here in Italy all national press is trying to obscurate truth through the sistematic falsification...yesterday July 24 we were about 100.000 only in Milan on the streets to remember all the fascist that they will have to kill all of us to silence us...well, press told about 30.000 and minimized a lot a struggle never seen before.. WE ALL IN ITALY NEED YOUR VOICE ALL OVER THE WORLD DESTROY ITALIAN SYMBOLS MAKE US HEAR YOUR VOICE UNITE WE WIN!!!
BASTARDI FASCISTI E SBIRRI PAGHERETE CARO PAGHERETE TUTTO!!!!!!
sorry for my english..I hope you can understand it anyway HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!!!!!!!!!!
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von clauseviz liam
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se c'è quacuno che non ha mai preso le botte siete sicuramente voi miseri vermicelli!!!! chi protesta da sempre le botte è abituato a prenderle (anche se nel mio caso piu a darle)cio non significa che si dabba stare in silenzio.anche perchè se non mi sbaglio siete voi i primi a lamentarvi(vedi il governo di sinistra che puniva solo le destre poveri piccoli) resta il fatto che d'ora in avanti le persone(?) come voi dovranno stare molto attenti perche la pula non è ovunque!!!!! KILL THE NAZI FUCK THE FASCIST
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shame
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davide Wednesday, Jul. 25, 2001 at 12:17 PM |
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Seeing this picture, in wich a strumentation for communication is underputted at a distruction in an action of "public order" take the contemporary political and social period at the beginning of the most terrible dictatures of our century, with the difference, very important for me, that at the start there was the idea of nation, and now of the globalization: a globalization where the leviatan is only one: the economic order in the monopolistic capitalism, whose presuppost is flessibility in the "civil" nations, and most powerty in the others.
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fire with fire?
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shadow Wednesday, Jul. 25, 2001 at 12:48 PM |
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fear-anger-hate-suffering ! the revolution has been televized -what blind eyes can´t realize. How to open those eyes wide shut?Violence is only a snack-what about lunch?Truth is in the eye of the beholder.....but all that the beholder gets to see is pure agression...only little tight information about things that realy should be changed__polution is a new way of letting the strongest survive-what for? Only for the money and the fame-Nu Kind of LIFESTYLE-HOW SARCASTIC_MR_BURNING_the_BUSH - but changing everything is no easy deal but something worth fighting for but keep your head clean!!! I want to see my children growing!!!
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holiday turns sour
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michaeluprichard Thursday, Jul. 26, 2001 at 11:29 AM |
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i was in Tuscany enjoying the scenery and wildlife when the G8 conference began. I was yet again disgusted at the actions of so called police. The violence of a small minority of people was used as an excuse by forces which are supposed to be protecting the citizen to carry out the dirty work of the G8 and probably various security agencies from the us and other nations. Sympathy to the young Italian mans family. I'm feeling guilty paying lip service from my arm chair, will people with real passion put themselves second.
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cmon
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adam Friday, Jul. 27, 2001 at 12:00 AM |
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You people who are obsessing over the cop who shot the protester/rioter/whatever, i think you are just looking for something to pissed off about. It is sad, but you should think before you go with a group of people throwing a fire extinguisher (with other things too) into a police truck. The cop didnt have to shoot him square in the head, but it WAS out of self defense. Just becuase many cops abuse their powers doesnt mean you should attack all of them, especially if it is not organized. Even if you are an anarchist, it gets you nowhere, as we saw from what happened to Guiliani(sp?). If the cop is charged, and they find that he meant to shoot the protestor in the head, i hope he is convicted and pays. But if it was not on purpose, then why should he pay? He may be a very corrupt officer, but let him serve time for other crimes, not this one if death wasnt intended. Plus, a fire extinguisher to the head can kill too.
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Italian and ashamed
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Paolo Friday, Jul. 27, 2001 at 7:26 AM |
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I'm Italian and I'm 36. Never in my life have I witnessed such a horror. A totalitarian regime is not what you'd expect to rule a presumed-democratic member State of the European Union. The unlimited power conferred by the government to the police on the occasion of the pacific demonstrations in Genoa is a fascist attitude that no civil people in the world should ever accept. Too much blind violence against the innocent, too much pain, basic human rights utterly ignored. I've never felt represented by any Italian government in my life, but now it's different; now I'm scared. For me and for my children. I fell ashamed for the patently false declarations Italian politicians are making to the Italian people and to the international community to try and get out of trouble after all the terrible acts they have ordered. As an Italian, i feel obliged to apologize for all this brutality and on behalf of the millions of democratic and peaceful I invite all of you to support our struggle against all abuse and in favour of freedom and democracy. Don't leave us alone.
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outragoutragee
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Louise Cooper Friday, Jul. 27, 2001 at 10:03 AM |
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I´m outraged distraught and lost for words.. I´m currently living in Spain and the mainstream coverage is not telling us anything. One thing that really troubles me is that people who don´t know to search for alternative sources of news are being completely malinformed.. and this inspires me to action.. but what? the most frustrating thing is this useless feeling of impotence..
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The Sword
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NightHawk Sunday, Jul. 29, 2001 at 1:24 PM |
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To the protestors... The adage, "He that lives by the sword, dies by the sword" appears to have come at your own hands. After surveying the G8 damage, injuries, and one recorded death, it is obvious that the Italian military police targeted the violent protestors. Sure it was a planned assualt, but it was the same violent protestors who had previously attacked the police and authorities and were further more planning to undermine the G8 summit.
If you need to protest, there are ways to do so without the bloodshed and damage to personal property. Many businesses and shop owners of Genoa do not share your sympathy. As violent protestors, you have disrupted their lives and their livelihood.
You need to lay down your swords and stop the bloodshed. You need to protest in a manner that is worthy to be listened. Not to say that the rest of the world would entirely agree with your opinions, but at least the rest of us would listen to what you have to say. Remember, in a republic or quasi-democratic country, the majority rules.
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fascist resurgence and the power of the multitude
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shivshankar Friday, Jul. 27, 2001 at 12:30 PM |
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The recent events in Genoa and the the resistance to the atrocities committed by the repressive state apparatus leave no doubt that what is always at stake is the question of obedience and the the imperative to unthink and outlast the tyranny of empire. Now as never before it is necessary to reforge solidarities with the poor of the world because it is in destitution and through the embracing of the lives of the destitute that there will be a chance for life to be reborn amidst the destructive characters that seek to police thought and its capacity to construct a world other than what it is.
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bloody beating by italian police
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marco Friday, Jul. 27, 2001 at 7:48 PM |
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i am an italian father of a normal simple family. i would like to express all my regrets to all beaten during the g8 capitalist-party.i would like to say to your foreign correspondant mr MARK COWELL that as italian and european citizen i feel shame for what is happened. i don't think that we are facing a fascist-strategy, it does not help economy, we were against, few months ago, silly Haider of Austria, now with the new SILVIO the second government we must expect a fully armonised music, he takes so much care of his image, you cannot imagine in foreign countries, he is more a tv star than a premier. he smiles all time, every thing is friendly finished, i listen him many times on the free and only honest radical radio, he is the new lombard pharaon, police "probably" mishandled the situation, they were just NOT at all professionals. in italy many things happen just due to distraction, stupidity, ignorancy. you see, people think that education is expensive but how expensive is ignorance to a country. you can't undestand our little booted country...we just elected a very discussed person, we have been bombed by mega posters for months long showing the beautiful and magically smiling face of Silvius, he owns already 3 tv, and now if he likes he can play "his music" for 5 years with 3 national-tv more, but the italian they have made their choice...we like short cuts, we sufferd enough (so people think)for entering to europe, and now seen that the cat is away the mice can play again. i'm sorry , i'm shamed of what happen, accept all the excuses of me and my family. all the best to all of you. when will we undestand that we are the first generation, since ever, from wich depends the surviving of our Planet ? VIPASYANA@tiscali.it
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What is going on?
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Thats the question I ask myself. Is it normal that people are doing things like this? Not only the italian police, but also that black block. You can't fight against authority, hierarchie, etc, when you do the same things as the police & Co. The only thing I want is peace, but you won't get that if you are fighting! I don't like people with power, who can decide about other peoples lifes, so I don't do the same thing. When the violence will go on like this, there won't be any G anymore, and than Bush could do what he wants , without the control of other countries. I don't like that neo-liberal capitalist shit, but we all have to be democratic and to respect other people! The only thing I want is peace and freedom!
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simplicity
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i live in Sparta a small city in southern greece. i feel close to the protesters of genoa. i love nature i am looking for peace and i try every day to protect my beliefs.i think that this seatle movement have the obligation and the right to be more clever than the others . in my opinion the clever way of fighting ,in those social circomstances, is simplicity. we live in very complicated social enviroment but in fact we have very simle needs that aren't satisfied.our needs are more simple and more basics than ever .we can fight together for real bread real water and real air and real freedom .we have to understand the value of our needs.
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Back in the old days...
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Daniel Freienstein Friday, Aug. 10, 2001 at 7:57 PM |
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When i was a kid, my grandfather and parents told me about it. In school I was shown the photographs and films about it. And it was all past and -fortunately- gone. And now they do it again. On a larger scale. Eight of them. Where there are no more books to burn computers are smashed. Information killed. Opposing ideas kept from spreading because power is at stake. Welcome back in the old days!
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In English
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Elizabeth Di Francesca Tuesday, Jun. 25, 2002 at 4:34 PM |
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I would really love to hear what you have to say but I only understand a few words in Italian. I am an American and wish to hear the rest of the worlds views on things going on and this issue of the media You should look at one of our good people here that use to work with the media and not is telling the truth about things
go to : Women's International Media, Inc. and get her books................the truth about the UN and other issues Des G. on the web: Midnight Messenger
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