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Israele è il secondo fornitore di armi della Cina
by mazzetta Tuesday, Mar. 14, 2006 at 4:55 PM mail:

Pecunia non olet Gli Usa non hanno mai minacciato sanzioni per l'export bellico israeliano, ma Tel Aviv è il secondo fornitore di armamenti dopo la Russia


Non parliamo di armi leggere, ma di sofisticati sistemi d'arma ad alta tecnologia per circa tre miliardi di dollari all'anno.
Tecnologia che poi è replicata e riprodotta dai cinesi nei grandi numeri tipici di un enorme paese.
Israele ha inoltre fornito i piani per costruire il nuovo caccia cinese F10, uguale al Lavi israeliano, sistemi radar e antiradar, mentre già in passato era stato messo sotto accusa per aver fornito tecnologie missilistiche che poi sono finite a nordcoreani e da lì a pakistani, iraniani e libici; quanto basta per far andare su tutte le furie parecchi rappresentanti dell'aministrazione americana.

ora negli USA è scoppiata la polemica, e qualcuno si chiede se per caso non sia il caso di stroncare questo traffico, prima che tecnologie e hardware realizzati con gli aiuti americani finiscano per armare e potenziare i potenziali nemici dell'America.




Israel Second Only To Russia
In Providing Arms To China
By Carol Giacomo
Diplomatic Correspondent
8-31-2

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - China and Russia have faced repeated U.S. sanctions for their arms sales, but a largely unheralded player in what Washington considers the troubling proliferation game is Israel, one of the closest U.S. allies.

The Jewish state, recipient annually of $3 billion in U.S. aid, is second only to Russia as a weapons provider to China, U.S. congressional investigators say.

Some experts fear sensitive U.S. technology may show up via Israel in systems sold by China to Iran and North Korea, which President Bush termed "axis of evil" states after the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"Israel ranks second only to Russia as a weapons system provider to China and as a conduit for sophisticated military technology, followed by France and Germany," according to a recent report by the U.S.-China Security Review Commission, a panel established by Congress to examine security and economic relations between the two countries.

"Recent upgrades in target acquisition and fire control, probably provided by Israeli weapons specialists, have enhanced the capabilities of the older guided missile destroyers and frigates" in the Chinese navy's inventory, it said.

The commission, which holds hard-line views on China, cited Israel as a supplier to Beijing of radar systems, optical and telecommunications equipment, drones and flight simulators.

"Israel has established itself as an important exporter of high-technology niche weapons containing more sophisticated technology than what is provided by Russia," it said.

WORRYING RELATIONSHIP

"Among the people who are aware of this (Israel-China) trade, there is a consensus that this is not a healthy relationship," commission chairman Richard D'Amato told Reuters. "There is a growing consensus that transfers of these technologies is worrisome given the balance of power in the Taiwan Straits," he said.

D'Amato referred to the fact that Israel-China cooperation persists even as Washington has sold increasingly sophisticated weapons to Taiwan as a defense against China.

Beijing considers the island a renegade and has pledged to use force, if needed, to achieve eventual reunification.

This creates an ironic possibility: In the event of war, China, with weapons supplied or enhanced by Israel that may have been supplied or enhanced by the United States, would face Taiwan, armed with U.S.-made jets and other military hardware.

In November 2000, China promised not to assist any country in developing ballistic missiles that could be used to deliver nuclear weapons and to enact strict export-control rules.

But Beijing only just now published the export rules and in the interim, the CIA said Chinese firms provided dual-use missile-related items, raw materials, and/or assistance to several countries of proliferation concern, including Iran, North Korea, and Libya.

Two senior U.S. officials told Reuters there has been little attention given to China-Israel arms ties since Bush took office.

Issues that could draw criticism of Israel are sensitive in America, where pro-Israel interests wield considerable clout.

"It is a concern when anybody sells the Chinese advanced systems -- and the Israeli systems are very advanced -- that we might, at one point, find ourselves opposite those systems in the hands of the Chinese," said one senior U.S. official.

But, he added, "I'd be more concerned about it if there was more evidence of (recent) activity" between Israel and China.

The Washington Times in July said U.S. intelligence identified an Israeli-made anti-radar weapon, the unmanned "Harpy" drone, deployed with Chinese forces opposite Taiwan.

A U.S. government source confirmed to Reuters that Israel provided the weapon to China. He called the transfer "astounding" because it is a key weapon that, in China's hands, could impair the effectiveness of U.S. Aegis cruisers.

China, a rising economic and military power, has embarked on a major military modernization and some U.S. officials and analysts view Beijing as a serious potential threat.

BUT DOUBTS PERSIST

Despite the U.S.-China Security Review Commission's concerns, some analysts doubt Israel made any significant recent transfers to China.

Two years ago, under U.S. pressure, Israel suspended the sale to Beijing of four $250 million-a-copy advanced early warning Phalcon aircraft, similar to U.S. AWACS planes.

The proposed deal alarmed the Pentagon and infuriated some members of Congress, who threatened to cut U.S. military aid to Israel if the lucrative deal went through.

U.S. officials and other knowledgeable sources say Israel was stunned at the vehement U.S. reaction and this made Israel even more cautious about future deals with China.

The proposed Phalcon deal "involved indigenous Israeli technology and would have provided lots of jobs for our defense industries," an Israeli official told Reuters.

But it was canceled "because Israel has an understanding with the United States that we will not act in a way that will endanger U.S. national security interests," he said.

"I think Phalcon was a watershed. It showed the level of our commitment" to the United States, said the Israeli official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Added a senior U.S. official, "Before the Israelis get in another situation where they are crosswise with us, they'll think twice about it -- the last flap still reverberates."

But D'Amato disagreed. "We still think they are involved in this in a serious way," including high-tech intelligence exchanges and a sharing of missile technology.

Israel began an arms relationship with China in the Cold War with U.S. backing as a means of balancing off the Soviet Union. But the ties have increasingly troubled Washington.

Six years ago, U.S. government reports accused Israel of illegally transferring U.S. technology from the largely U.S.-funded Lavi fighter plane program to China. China's new F-10 fighter jet is said to be nearly identical to the Lavi.

Analysts said that in addition to reaping profits and lowering defense production costs, Israel believes arms sales to China raises its influence with Beijing and gains it vital intelligence about its enemies, with whom China does business.



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by >>>>> Tuesday, Mar. 14, 2006 at 4:56 PM mail:

Arms Control Today September 2005






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U.S., Israel Reach China Arms Deal

Miles A. Pomper

The United States and Israel announced Aug. 16 that they had signed a memorandum of understanding to ease disputes over past Israeli arms sales to China and to govern future arms trade between Israel and some foreign countries. The action comes as Congress is putting additional pressure on Israel and the European Union to abjure arms trade with Beijing.

In signing the classified agreement, the Department of Defense and the Israeli Ministry of Defense hope to ease tensions that arose over a planned Israeli sale to Beijing of spare parts for Harpy Drone unmanned aerial vehicles. U.S. officials feared the upgrades could help China target U.S. and Taiwanese command-and-control facilities and forces during a possible future conflict.

In response, the United States suspended cooperation with Israel on a number of long-range military development projects, including cooperation with the Israeli Air Force on developing a new combat aircraft through the Joint Strike Fighter project. (See ACT, July/August 2005.)

The United States has considerable leverage over Israel as U.S. defense technology is often incorporated in Israeli weapons and the United States provides Israel with billions of dollars in military aid annually.

A joint Pentagon-Israeli Defense Ministry statement said the understanding is “designed to remedy problems of the past that seriously affected the technology security relationship between their defense establishments and which begins to restore confidence in the technology security area.” A first step, said a nongovernmental expert in Washington familiar with the issue, will be terminating the Harpy Drone deal. Israel will have to compensate China for the cancellation but is still negotiating the terms of that package.

The memorandum lays out broad parameters for the rules governing future Israeli arms sales to sensitive countries, particularly China, but specifics will have to be ironed out over the next few months. The joint U.S.-Israeli statement said that, “in the coming months, additional steps will be taken to restore confidence fully.”

Among those steps will be Israel’s adherence to, but not formal membership in, some elements of the Wassenaar Arrangement, a decade-old voluntary export control regime whose 34 members exchange information on transfers of conventional weapons and dual-use goods and technologies. In particular, Pentagon officials said that their Israeli counterparts had offered to implement controls on dual-use sensors and lasers that would conform to Wassenaar guidelines.

U.S. and Israeli officials are still negotiating how tightly Israel will adhere to other elements of the Wassenaar regime. Under the agreement, Israel is supposed to pass legislation and implement organizational changes that will bring it closer to compliance with Wassenaar’s strictures. Israel is also expected to follow transparent procedures similar to Wassenaar and has agreed to consult closely with the United States about potential sales.

Still, Israeli officials did not pledge to notify the United States in advance of exports or obtain U.S. approval for such sales.

“It doesn’t create any veto power for the United States,” said Pentagon spokesperson Major Paul Swiergosz.

On the other hand, U.S. officials forced Israel to agree that U.S.-Israeli long-range development projects would only be restored gradually over a number of months, as Israel implemented aspects of the deal.

“We simply want to ensure that technology that is being shared would not go for other purposes,” Swiergosz said. “Full cooperation will be restored once confidence is built up.”

The dispute reflects mounting U.S. concerns over China. In recent years, U.S. officials have watched warily as China upgraded its military. Beijing has reportedly been increasing its spending at double-digit rates and importing major weapons systems, mostly from Russia, as well as improving its own weapons manufacturing capabilities. But China’s military still lags far behind U.S. forces technologically. Intent on preserving their strategic edge, U.S. officials and Congress have pressured the EU and Israel not to permit arms sales to China.

Only a few months ago, the EU appeared on the verge of ending its embargo on arms sales to China. The ban was originally imposed in reaction to the Chinese government’s ruthless 1989 crackdown on peaceful demonstrators at Tiananmen Square.

Some EU member states argued that the embargo was an unnecessary obstacle to better relations with Beijing. Such sales, they contended, would be constrained by its voluntary 1998 Code of Conduct on Arms Exports that sets out criteria, such as a potential arms buyer’s human rights record, that are supposed to be taken into consideration before any export occurs. (See ACT, January/February 2005.)

However, efforts to lift the embargo have slowed. European officials were taken aback when China adopted a law March 14 that authorizes the use of force against Taiwan, should that country assert its independence. (See ACT, April 2005.)

The United States has also applied considerable pressure. Congress, in particular, has threatened retaliation if arms deals with China go forward.

In May the House passed fiscal year 2006 Defense Department authorization legislation requiring the Pentagon not to procure any goods or services for five years from any firms that transfer arms to China.

And in July, the House passed a fiscal year 2006 State Department authorization bill that would threaten sanctions against EU firms and others that provide China with weapons or dual-use items banned under international export control agreements. The Senate has yet to complete action on companion legislation for either bill.

In an attempt at compromise, EU officials, such as nonproliferation chief Annalisa Giannella, say they are ready to adopt more stringent rules on arms exports (see "Between Noble Goals and Sobering Reality: An Interview With EU Nonproliferation Chief Annalisa Giannella"). The compromise would strengthen the code of conduct and convert it into a legally binding document.

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by >>>>> Tuesday, Mar. 14, 2006 at 4:57 PM mail:

Israel-China arms deal angers US

Thursday 16 December 2004, 22:54 Makka Time, 19:54 GMT

Earlier Israel was stopped from selling its Phalcon AWACS
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Israeli arms deals with China have provoked tensions between Israel and the United States, the head of Israel's parliamentary defence committee has admitted.

His comments on Thursday followed reports that the US is demanding the dismissal of Israeli defence ministry director general Amos Yaron over the controversial deal.

"There are tensions, which are hidden from the public, which have appeared over the last one or two years concerning Israeli weapons sales, particularly to China," Yuval Steinitz told Israeli radio.

US officials are furious at Israel for taking back a "sensitive weapons system" sold to China in the 1990s for upgrading, Israel’s Channel Two television reported, although it did not identify the weapon.

Washington had permitted Israel to take the system back from China for repair, but had not authorised it to be upgraded, according to the report.

Israeli denials

Israel's ambassador to Washington, Danny Ayalon, denied on Thursday that the United States had sought the dismissal of Yaron, saying "no demand of that nature was made".

"We must take account of US interests but a demand for the dismissal of a person in charge such as Amos Yaron ... would be unacceptable"

Yuval Steinitz,
Chairman of Israel's defence committee

"Questions were raised recently, but they are being examined in a good atmosphere," he said.

Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz also denied the report, while accepting that a dossier on Israeli weapons sales to China was "in the process of clarification".

The issue has become very sensitive after Israel in July 2000 cancelled a contract to sell to China a Russian Ilyushin-76 plane equipped with its own Phalcon Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACS).

Past attempts

In March 2001, Israel agreed to pay China $350 million to compensate for the cancelled sale.

China had forked out a down payment of $200 million on a first plane, valued at $250 million, and had signed a contract which foresaw the purchase of four similar aircraft.

The United States based its demand on concerns that advanced US defence technology contained in Israeli equipment could be used against China's foe Taiwan.

"We must take account of US interests but a demand for the dismissal of a person in charge such as Amos Yaron ... would be unacceptable," Steinitz said.

A source close to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told AFP that "the whole thing has been a misunderstanding".

Spying row

The row risks adding to an atmosphere of suspicion that has gripped relations with the Pentagon in recent months.

Sharon has previously said that
Israel does not spy on the US

Sharon was forced in September to insist that Israel was not spying on the United States following allegations that a Pentagon official leaked intelligence to a pro-Israel lobby.

US officials alleged that Pentagon aide Larry Franklin passed secrets to Israel using the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) as the conduit.

Franklin is an Iran specialist in the office of Undersecretary of Defence for Policy Douglas Feith, the third most senior civilian official at the Pentagon.

Israel pledged not to spy on Washington after the hugely embarrassing arrest of Jonathan Pollard, an intelligence analyst for the US navy, who passed on thousands of secret documents.

Pollard was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1987.

US intelligence agencies said in 1992 that Israel had carried out non-authorised transfers of US technologies to China, particularly regarding the Patriot anti-missile system.

These accusations were denied by Israel.

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fino ad oggi
by >>>>> Tuesday, Mar. 14, 2006 at 4:57 PM mail:

3 March, 2006
ISRAEL
Israel to sell arms to China again

Trade in military hardware had been suspended because of pressure from the United States. A special department will monitor exports.

Tel Aviv (AsiaNews) - Israeli companies have been authorised by the nation's Defence Ministry to resume exports of military hardware to China after months of trade blocked under US pressure.

Ministry director Yaakov Toren was quoted as saying some export permits were issued "in co-operation with the United States". The ministry intends to set up a special department responsible for supervising the authorisation needed for companies wishing to export weapons. "Companies will come and see us and we will judge on a case-by-case basis with or without consultation with the United States," he said. "We are two independent countries which respect their relative interests."

Mr Toren also confirmed that the US had asked for stricter controls in order to check that military hardware made up of US components was not exported without the approval of Washington.

Last year, the US initially froze Israeli participation in a programme to develop a new F-35 generation fighter jet, furious over an Israeli sale of sensitive military technology and equipment to China.
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e se ne frega degli americani
by >>>>> Tuesday, Mar. 14, 2006 at 5:00 PM mail:

Israel authorises military exports to China
AFP ^ | 3 March 06 | Unknown

Posted on 03/04/2006 11:40:50 AM PST by LSUfan

JERUSALEM: Israel’s defence ministry has authorised Israeli companies to resume the export of military hardware to China after months of trade blocked under US pressure, an official said Thursday.

“Procedures for granting export permits is open again,” an official from the ministry told AFP on condition of anonymity.

The director of the ministry, Yaakov Toren, was quoted as saying in the Israeli press that some export permits were issued “in cooperation with the United States”.

“Companies will come and see us (at the defence ministry) and we will judge on a case by case basis with or without consultation with the United States,” Toren said.

“We are two independent countries which respect their relative interests,” the director said.

The ministry also intends to set up a special department responsible for supervising necessary authorisation for companies wishing to export weapons. afp

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by khalas Tuesday, Mar. 14, 2006 at 5:07 PM mail:

Il ministero della Difesa israeliano ha autorizzato le imprese del Paese a riprendere la vendita di armamenti pesanti alla Cina, che erano sospese da alcuni mesi a causa delle pressioni di Washington. Alcuni permessi, secondo quanto dichiarato da Yaakov Toren, direttore generale del ministero della Difesa, sono stati concessi con “la cooperazione degli Stati Uniti”. Il ministero ha inoltre intenzione di istituire un dipartimento speciale che rilascerà le autorizzazioni alle aziende che producono armi e supervisionerà alle esportazioni. “Ci confronteremo con le aziende e decideremo in base ai singoli casi, con o senza la collaborazione degli Usa”, continua Toren. “Siamo due Paesi indipendenti che portano avanti i propri interessi”.
Toren ha poi dichiarato che gli Stati Uniti hanno chiesto controlli rigorosi per evitare che armamenti pesanti costruiti con componenti provenienti dagli Usa vengano esportati senza l’approvazione di Washington. Lo scorso anno, a causa di disaccordi con Israele riguardo la vendita di tecnologia militare e apparecchiature alla Cina, gli Stati Uniti avevano sospeso la partecipazione di Israele a un programma per lo sviluppo di una nuova generazione degli aerei da combattimento F-35.
Fonte: Asia News

[postato il giorno 8 marzo su khalasnews: http://khalasnews.splinder.com/post/7391971]

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by bravo Tuesday, Mar. 14, 2006 at 5:09 PM mail:

ottimo e abbondante come sempre smaz

Israele - Palestina - 12.12.2003
Come Israele manipola gli Usa
Diffondiamo parte di un’intervista di Jon Elmer a Jeff Halper*









FuciliQuesto lo spunto iniziale: “Chomsky ha detto che Israele è una base americana off-shore, soprattutto per le vendite di armi. Che ruolo svolge Israele nell’Impero americano?”

Non sono completamente d’accordo con Noam Chomsky. Penso che sottovaluti l’attivismo di Israele, e il modo in cui Israele manipola gli Stati Uniti. Per gli Stati Uniti, l’appoggio ad Israele è di fatto controproducente. Sta sconvolgendo l’intero mondo musulmano, del petrolio, e ora c’è l’occupazione dell’Iraq e l’ovvio paragone con l’occupazione israeliana della Palestina. L’alleanza fra l’America e Israele aveva senso durante la Guerra Fredda – all’epoca c’era una barzelletta in voga in Israele che diceva che eravamo la più grande portaerei degli Stati Uniti. Forse allora aveva un significato. Ma adesso?

Israele è situata proprio al centro dell’industria armiera del mondo. La sofisticata industria militare israeliana ha dato un forte contributo allo sviluppo di quella americana. Ma c’è di più: Israele è diventata il maggior piazzista delle armi americane. Nel 2002, Israele ha firmato un contratto, nel quale si impegnava ad addestrare ed equipaggiare l’Esercito cinese. Ha sottoscritto poi un analogo accordo multimiliardario per armare ed equipaggiare l’Esercito indiano. Con che cosa li sta equipaggiando? Con armi americane.

Fucile Israele è molto importante perché dispone di tecnologie raffinate, perché ha sviluppato armamenti e li vende. Ma anche perché non ha restrizioni etiche o morali: non ha un Congresso, non deve rispondere di violazioni di diritti umani, non ha leggi anti-corruzione; il governo israeliano può fare quello che vuole. Abbiamo quindi uno Stato canaglia – non uno come la Libia, ma uno dotato di esperienza tecnologica e militare – che si sta rivelando terribilmente utile sia per l’Europa che per gli Stati Uniti.

Ad esempio, ci sono restrizioni del Congresso americano sulle vendite di armi alla Cina a causa delle violazioni dei diritti umani. Israele le trattiene sul proprio territorio abbastanza a lungo, da far sì che queste alla fine vengano considerate israeliane; così si aggira il Congresso.

Tel Aviv piazza le armi americane in molti paesi del Terzo Mondo. Non c’è regime sanguinario – dalla Colombia al Guatemala, dall’Uruguay all’Argentina, al Cile di Pinochet, da Taiwan allo Zaire, alla Liberia, al Congo, alla Sierra Leone – che non abbia avuto un’importante legame militare con Israele. I produttori di armi israeliani si muovono come mercenari: l’uomo dietro Noriega, ad esempio, era Michael Harari, un israeliano, che poi lasciò precipitosamente Panama. I mercenari israeliani in Sierra Leone aggirano il boicottaggio imposto dalle Nazioni Unite sui cosiddetti “diamanti di sangue”; lo stesso avviene in Angola. Ora Israele sta sviluppando un sistema missilistico assieme alla Gran Bretagna, un nuovo aereo per l’Olanda, e ha appena comprato tre sofisticati sottomarini dall’Olanda. Quindi, Israele sta giocando pesante.

I produttori di armi israeliani si sentono a casa propria in paesi che sono nemici giurati degli Stati Uniti: cioè l’Uzbekistan, il Kazakistan, la Russia, la Cina, l’Indonesia; paesi dove gli americani non possono operare, in parte per questioni di mercato e in parte per le restrizioni del Congresso e della legge.

ISRAELE: LA GALLINA DALLE UOVA D’ORO

Fucili Ed ecco il pezzo mancante. Se si dà un’occhiata al sito dell’American Israel Public Affairs Committee ( Aipac ), la maggior lobby pro Israele negli Stati Uniti, un testo salta subito agli occhi; s’intitola la “Cooperazione strategica”. Gli Stati Uniti e Israele hanno sottoscritto un Trattato, un’alleanza formale, che consente ad Israele di accedere liberamente a quasi tutta la tecnologia militare americana.

Quando l’Aipac “vende” Israele al Congresso, non va dai singoli membri e chiede loro di appoggiare questo Stato in nome della religione giudaica cristiana, o perché “è l’unica democrazia in Medio Oriente”. L’argomentazione è piuttosto questa: “Sei un membro del Congresso ed è tua responsabilità sostenere Israele perché molte industrie del tuo Stato fanno affari con Israele; molti posti di lavoro nel tuo distretto dipendono dall’industria militare e della Difesa (e dunque da Israele). Quindi se voti contro Israele, voti contro la gallina dalle uova d’oro.

Nella maggior parte dei distretti americani, i membri del Congresso dipendono fortemente dal militare. Più della metà dell’occupazione industriale in California è in un modo o nell’altro legata alla Difesa. E in quest’ambito Israele esercita un potere molto forte.

Quando noi del Comitato israeliano contro le demolizioni delle case ( Icahd ) abbiamo incontrato un membro del Congresso e gli abbiamo parlato di diritti umani, di occupazione, di palestinesi, ci siamo sentiti rispondere: “Lo so, leggo i giornali, non sono uno stupido, ma non è questa la base sulla quale do il mio voto. La base è il bene dei miei elettori”.

Così in termini di attivismo, quando pensiamo ad una campagna internazionale, una parte importante di questa deve essere incentrata sui legami di Israele con l’industria della Difesa, delle armi, sul sostegno israeliano a regimi terribili e alle loro violazioni di diritti umani, su ciò che sta facendo nel mondo.

Se si vuole parlare d’Impero, malgrado questo sia un paese piccolo, ha un ruolo fondamentale. Dal sito dell’Aipac, si capisce che il suo compito è di proteggere gli interessi americani in Medio Oriente. Quanto all’Impero americano, Israele è fiera di farne parte.

A cura di JON ELMER
(copyright http://www.fromoccupiedpalestine.org)

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* Jeff Halper è antropologo e direttore dell’ICAHD (Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions)

Il link dell'intervista in versione integrale:
http://www.fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node.php?id=776


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i kippizzati in fuga?
by antision Tuesday, Mar. 14, 2006 at 5:34 PM mail:

Com'è che i kippizzati non commentano mai questo genere di post?
Me ne ricordo un altro sui mercanti d'armi, disertato in massa, chissà perchè

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Vi meravigliate...??!!
by Xao Deping Tuesday, Mar. 14, 2006 at 6:20 PM mail:

Vi meravigliate che un paese DEMOCRATICO e PACIFISTA come
israele esporti armi alla Cina..??!!

Ma siete scemi?

EVIDENTEMENTE se le fa pagare e, difronte al denaro, non so
se mi spiego...

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Vi meravigliate...??!!
by Xao Deping Tuesday, Mar. 14, 2006 at 6:25 PM mail:

Vi meravigliate che un paese DEMOCRATICO e PACIFISTA come
israele esporti armi alla Cina..??!!

Ma siete scemi?

EVIDENTEMENTE se le fa pagare e, difronte al denaro, non so
se mi spiego...

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hai rotto il cazzo tipo
by fiocina antispam Tuesday, Mar. 14, 2006 at 6:39 PM mail:

usare finocchio come insulto è tipico di un demente, come lo è spammare
cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi, sei quasi più idiota di Claudio, ma sicuramente sei più stronzo
capito squaloide?

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Vi meravigliateeee...???!!!
by non posso crederci Tuesday, Mar. 14, 2006 at 7:07 PM mail:

Vi meravigliate che un paese DEMOCRATICO e PACIFISTA come
israele esporti armi (alla Cina o altrove poco importa)??!!

Forse NON avete capito che gliele pagano...

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ecco
by non ci posso credere hehe Tuesday, Mar. 14, 2006 at 7:14 PM mail:

Vi meravigliate che un paese DEMOCRATICO e PACIFISTA come
L'Italia esporti armi (alla Cina o altrove poco importa)??!!

Forse NON avete capito che gliele pagano...
http://web.amnesty.org/pages/ttt3_italy

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ma davvero
by e la Cina è alleata all'iran Friday, Mar. 17, 2006 at 11:33 PM mail:

strana coincidenza

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