Palestinian Arafat = Terrorist

Israel's occupation is because of the actions of the fanatical, religiously-crazed Palestinians that force it to continue. These religious leaders consider Jews, Christians and others to be "infidels" who should not even be on earth, let alone control land near them. But decades of bad publicity have taught these Palestinian extremists to smile and act like victims when world media television cameras and journalists are watching.

After 19 years of being attacked, and in preparing for a giant war against them, Israel, in a defensive, pre-emptive strike, took the land being used to attack them.

After peace was reached with Egypt and Jordan, Israel returned the Sinai, which is more than 50% of the land they won in the war.

The PLO was formed several years BEFORE Israel won the 1967 war. The PLO's goal is to "liberate," but liberate what? They sought to liberate the land Israel owned already, before the 1967 war even took place. Their goal was to "liberate" all land from all Jews and put it in the hands of Arabs.

Of course, the FACT that over 75% of "historical Palestine" was turned into transjordan, now the country called Jordan, seems to be left out. Israel, the West bank and gaza strip combine to be under 25% of what was called the "Palestinian territory." When people talk about "Palestinian history," if they want a Palestinian state, Jordan is it. Should a state be formed on the West bank and gaza, it would be a second "Palestinian" state. There's no ethnic or cultural difference between the human beings that make up Jordan and the human beings that live in the West bank or gaza, other than current political situations.

So, Israel won the 1967 war and held onto some of the land, returning the Sinai when given peace.

In the 1970's, the PLO kept attacking Israel, and led by Arafat began ruthless terrorism campaigns, PUBLICALLY STATING their goal of destroying Israel. Israel demanded peace and an end to the attacks, but were met with constant attacks. You don't unoccupy land when the representatives of that land, the PLO, continue to call for your destruction. First you receive peace, AND THEN you unoccupy.

In the 1980's, the PLO kept attacking Israel, and led by Arafat began ruthless terrorism campaigns, PUBLICALLY STATING their goal of destroying Israel. Israel demanded peace and an end to the attacks, but were met with constant attacks. You don't unoccupy land when the representatives of that land, the PLO, continue to call for your destruction. First you receive peace, AND THEN you unoccupy.

In the 1990's, the PLO kept attacking Israel, and led by Arafat began ruthless terrorism campaigns, PUBLICALLY STATING their goal of destroying Israel. Israel demanded peace and an end to the attacks, but were met with constant attacks. You don't unoccupy land when the representatives of that land, the PLO, continue to call for your destruction. First you receive peace, AND THEN you unoccupy.

FINALLY, in the 1990's, Arafat, who was getting old and began to realize that his outright attacks weren't working anymore, realized that he needed to pretend to be an OK guy now, and gain some ground in order to kill Israel later. So, he swore that he had changed, and that he no longer wanted the Jews of Israel wiped out, now he was willing to tolerate their existence as long as the Palestinians got their own state, too. Something they could have had long ago, but were too busy attacking Israel even when Israel wasn't occupying an ounce of the land that Palestinians could have made into their own state.

So, Israel gave Arafat money, armed thousands of his police, put over 90% of control of the West bank and Gaza strip into his hands, and gave him a chance to show that he would fight Palestinian terrorists and arrest them, so Israel wouldn't have to.

Did it work? No. Arafat's friends continued to be terrorists, they continued to make it clear that Israel's destruction was more important to them than peace and two neighbor states, and Israel continued to receive attacks intentionally targeting innocent people.

When Israel offered to remove jewish settlers from "arab land," and to permanently put control of the West bank and Gaza strip in the hands of the Palestinians, what was the response? Palestinians began another idiotic, self-destructive terrorist intifada, and AFTER SEVERAL MONTHS, the result was ariel sharon getting elected, and Israel being forced to clamp down and hunt terrorists down themselves. The intifada began months before Ariel Sharon was voted into office. The only reason Sharon was elected was because the intifada was a clear statement to Israel that Palestinians would rather have war than their own terrorist-free state.

The situation in Palestinian land today is entirely due to the actions of Palestinian "leaders" and terrorist groups. It's a response. Palestinians had a good thing going several years ago, they were going to get their own state, settlements were going to be removed, but because the peace offer from Israel wasn't 100% "perfect," they threw it all away, began their crazed intifada, and refuse to call it off, even though it's resulted in the destruction of everything they had gained in the 1990's.

Palestinians are brainwashed. Their religious leaders teach them that Jews, whether Israeli or not, are evil and not to be tolerate. Their political leaders - Arafat, Hamas, etc. - teach them the same thing. Their schools teach Palestinian children that Israel must be destroyed, that it someday will not exist, and the people behind its destruction will be heros, etc.

Arab countries don't know how to deal with the Palestinians, either. Palestinians terrorized Jordan, Lebanon and Kuwait years ago. When King Hussein of Jordan had had enough of Palestinian terror, in the early 1970's, Jordan killed about 4000 Palestinians in a month. Palestinians cry and call it "Black September" - because lots of non-terrorist Palesitnians died as well, but Jordan saw it as the only way of dealing with them. Perhaps Israel should have tried the same thing, just blasting the hell out of them every time they attacked Israel.

The "zionist goal" is a safe Jewish home-state.

The goal of the PLO was to destroy that state.

The goal of Hamas is to destroy that state.

Israel elects different leaders every few years. Israel's leaders have tried every possible path to peace with their neighbors. Whereas Palestinians have had one leader for the past 35 years, a terrorist who openly called for the death of every Jewish Israeli until the state of Israel would collapse. Criticze Ariel Sharon all you want, but the latest crazed terrorist intifada from the Palestinians began before Sharon was in office. For 10 years before that Israel's leaders were mostly leftists who repeatedly offered every peace agreement imaginable, but Arafat was always there to use propaganda, lies and terrorism in response.

The goal of many Palestinian people may be their own state, and not to destroy Israel. But when your leaders and key organizations, acting on your behalf, continue to attack a stronger neighbor-state, that neighbor-state is going to smack you down.

A REVIEW OF PALESTINIAN LEADERSHIP THAT IS THE CAUSE OF ISRAEL'S RESPONSES:


Arafat talks about this final solution.

Arafat's speech in Sweden in 1996.
Arafat’s speech in front of 40 Arab diplomats in the Grand Hotel in Stockholm, Sweden, on January 30, 1996. Was called "The Impending Collapse of Israel".
"We will take over everything including all of Jerusalem," he declared repeatedly. Arafat's plan has two main components aimed to cause the Jews to abandon Israel. "Within five years we will have six to seven million Arabs living on the West Bank and in Jerusalem. Arafat explained that this will be the beginning of a pressure campaign resulting within a few years in Israel's ultimate destruction. "You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion; Jews will not want to live among us Arabs!"

On the same day in 1993 on which Yasser Arafat signed the Declaration of
Principles on the White House lawn, he spoke the following words on Jordan TV:
"Since we cannot defeat Israel in war we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel."

After the Tel Aviv massacre on January 12th, where 2 Palestinian homicide bombers massacred 23 Israeli civilians. The PLO web site posted a statement -- celebrating the attacks:
"With faith in the calling of holy jihad," it said, "two suicide attackers . . . succeeded this evening to infiltrate the Zionist roadblocks and to enter the heart of . . . Tel Aviv and carried out two consecutive suicide attacks... These suicide attacks caused a large number of fatalities and casualties in the center of the Zionist occupation of our land. We swear before our people that additional suicide operations will occur."
That is a view with which much of Arab opinion concurs. ArabicNews.com, for example, datelined its story on the Tel Aviv attack "Palestine-Israel," and reported that the bombings had killed "23 Israeli settlers." http://www.jewishworldreview.com/jeff/jacoby011003.asp

After the disco massacre last year, which murdered 21 Israeli school girls, a German TV station interviewed the father of the homicide bomber, who showed a letter he received from Arafat, where Arafat praised and glorified his son's actions. Its good to know, Edward Herman thinks Arafat who praises when Palestinians slaughter Israeli woman and children is a man of peace. http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=palestinian&ID=SP23701

Following the murderous terrorist attack on Kibbutz Metzer, the PLO cold-bloodedly stated on its official website, "We will continue to strike in any place, targeting their children as well." Five innocent Israelis, including a mother and her two little boys, were butchered in that attack, all of them, Fatah said, "Zionist colonizers" killed in a "qualitative operation in the settlement of Metzer." http://www.jnewswire.com/editorial/02/11/021121_hollow_condemnations.htm

Palestinians and Arabs talks how they want to exterminate the Jews.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-120601holy.story
Sheikh Muhammed Siyam, a Hamas military leader said this. "I've been told to restrict or restrain what I say. I hope no one is recording me or taking any pictures, as none are allowed, because I'm going to speak the truth to you," Siyam said at the conference. "It's simple. Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all! Exterminate them! No peace ever! Do not bother to talk politics."

Another link to this story of Hamas calling for extermination of Jews. http://www.nctimes.net/news/2001/20011207/60241.html
At that conference, organized by the Muslim Arab Youth Association, Sheikh Muhammed Siyam, introduced as the head of Hamas' military wing, told the crowd: "Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all. Exterminate them. No peace ever."

Syrian Defence Minister Mustafa Tlass, In May 2001 stated on Lebanon television, that if every Arab kills one Jew, there will be no Jews left at all. http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/anti-semitism/arabpress0501.html

Hamas terrorist chief Sheikh Ahmed Yassin explains that Palestinian terrorism will in the end destroy Israel and that the Islamic state of Palestine will be built on the ruins of Israel in 2027.

Shoshana Gottleib, a young, religious mother of four, who told her story, she was in was attacked by murderous Palestinian machine-gun fire by terrorists, and how bending down to put orange peels in a plastic bag, she avoided the bullet that went through her headrest. As it was, Shoshana was critically injured, her spinal cord severed, paralyzing her for life from the chest down. One of the most interesting parts of Shoshana's presentation was her revelation that the terrorists who opened fire on her were three policemen in Arafat's Palestinian Authority, a fourth, who was Arafat's personal bodyguard in Force 17, and a fifth who had been recruited with the promise of $500. One of the terrorists videotaped the attack on the van, and it was sent to Yasir Arafat. http://www.jewsweek.com/myturn/323.htm

Saudi Telethon Host Calls for Enslaving Jewish Women, Sheikh Ibrahim Mattsai said, "Muslim Brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh. Why don't you enslave their women? Why don't you wage jihad? Why don't you pillage them?" Mattsai goes on to say. "How excited I was to hear a Palestinian child tell me that when he is 14 years old he will blow himself up and become a martyr... I praise those sons of Allah who give you and me martyrdom."

O God, the Jews have transgressed all limits in their tyranny," Shaik Abd-al-Bari al Thubayti prayed in a June 7 sermon on official Saudi TV2. "O God, shake the ground under their feet, pour torture on them, and destroy all of them." This and similar statements appear in a forthcoming Anti-Defamation League paper on Saudi bigotry. http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/saudi.html

Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Madi, a Palestinian Authority religious leader: "We will blow them up in Hadera, we will blow them up in Tel-Aviv"
"We will blow them up in Hadera, we will blow them up in Tel-Aviv and in Netanya... We will fight against them and rule over them until the Jew will hide behind the trees and stones and the tree and stone will say: 'Moslem! Servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him'. We will enter Jerusalem as conquerors, and Jaffa as conquerors, and Haifa as conquerors and Ashkelon as conquerors...."
[Preacher Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Madi, PATV, 3 August 2001] http://www.freeman.org/m_online/sep02/marcus.htm

Khalad Mashal, Hamas (Reuters, February 16):
"You have no place here, on the holy land of Palestine... You will never have security in this place, not even on a single centimeter of this land. This is a call for every Palestinian to turn into a time bomb - to fight them with every means at your disposal."
"Kill them! Allah will answer them through your means! I hope that there are those among you who will kill and be killed!"

The late Faisal Husseini, Arafat's Jerusalem representative, a man who was cultured, sophisticated and considered the most moderate of all the Palestinians, shortly before his death on May 31, 2001, expressed his true feelings in an interview with the popular Egyptian newspaper el Arav.

Husseini said: "We must distinguish the strategies and long-term goals from the political-phased goals which we are compelled to accept due to international pressures." But the "ultimate goal is the liberation of all of historical Palestine."

Explicitly he said: "Oslo has to be viewed as a Trojan Horse."

He even added and clarified that it is the obligation of all the Palestinian forces and factions to see the Oslo Accords as "temporary" steps to Israel's destruction.

Sari Nusseibeh is another supposed Palestinian moderate.
In an interview on Al-Jazeera television on July 14, translated by Memri. Nusseibeh praised everyone involved in jihad against Israel. Explaining that he did not want to pass moral judgment on the murderers when he signed a petition a month earlier calling for an end to suicide bombers, Nusseibeh said that terrorism presents no moral dilemma, it is only a question of whether or not "political benefit" accrues from killing Israeli civilians. http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/genocide.html

One week after the Dolphinarium bombing on June 1, 2001 in Tel Aviv in which 21 people, mainly young girls, were killed, PA television carried the sermon of Sheik Ibrahim Al-Madhi. He said: “Blessings to whoever waged Jihad for the sake of Allah; blessings to whoever raided for the sake of Allah; blessings to whoever put a belt of explosives on his body or on his sons’ and plunged into the midst of the Jews, crying ‘Allahu Akbar...’
http://www.world.std.com/~camera/docs/oncamera/ocrula.html

One day after the Ramallah lynching of two Israelis, Ahmad Abu Halabiya, a member of the PA-appointed Fatwa Council, called on listeners to find and butcher Jews “no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them.” www. world.std.com/~camera/docs/oncamera/ocrula.html

On Oct. 24, the Palestinian Liberation Army Mufti, Sheikh Col. Nader Al-Tamini, said in a television debate on the Qatari Arabic cable news channel Al-Jazeera that there can be no peace with the Jews because they suck and use the blood of Arabs on the holidays of Passover and Purim.

Just four days later, the official Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram published a full-page article by columnist Adel Hamooda titled, "A Jewish Matzoh Made from Arab Blood." It retold the infamous blood libel story of 1840 in great detail, recounting it as a documented historical fact.

The author went on to explain that the Jews' "bestial drive" to add the blood of non-Jews to matzoh is at the root of the violence. He said Palestinians are often found without a single drop of blood in their bodies.

"The most reasonable explanation is that the blood was taken to be kneaded into the dough of extremist Jews to be used in Matzohs to be devoured during Passover," he wrote.
Huh? That's the most reasonable explanation? The answer is yes to the hysterical propagandists of the Middle East.

Egyptian Television last November and Palestinian Television in 2001 broadcast A 30-part series -- produced by Arab Radio and Television, featuring a cast of 400, and aired during the second half of Ramadan this year -- "dramatized" the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Last March, we were treated to an article in the Saudi government daily, Al-Riyadh, describing in great detail the Jewish method of draining the blood of Muslim children to be used in baking Matza.

The racist lie that Jews drink the blood of Arabs into their matzah is graphically described in "The Matzah of Zion," published in 1983 by Syrian Defense Minister, Mustafa Tlas. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15098

Last June, A Palestinian homicide bomber walked into a shopping mall in a city near Tel Aviv and spotted an ice cream parlor full of children. He detonated a nail-packed bomb, that killed Sinai Keinanan 18-month-old girl, who just wanted an ice cream cone, and killed her grandmother too. Do you know Islamikaze mother, lauded the deeds of her son, butchering a Grandmother and her 2 year old Granddaughter. When CNN asked her, how she felt that he had murdered a Grandmother and 14 month old girl. She said how proud she was of her son's actions.

Here's the story of Gal Eizenman. She was murdered with her Grandmother by a Palestinian homicide bomber at a Jerusalem bus stop, after her kindergarten party. Here's her pic http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=3328 Read the great commentaries.

Last weekend, after a suicide bomber killed eleven young Israelis at a Jerusalem cafe, and a terrorist with an automatic rifle killed a nine-month-old baby in her stroller in Netanya, thousands celebrated in the West Bank and Gaza. The following night, there was an interview with the father of the Netanya killer. He was proud of his son, saying he had five more sons whom he prayed to Allah would follow in the baby-killer's footsteps. How can you deter a killer who considers murder-suicide the greatest honor in life? Israelis cannot afford to continue enduring the terrible calculus of suicide attacks. http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El234&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

Nina Kardashov was joyfully celebrating her bat-mitzvah, the rite of passage to Jewish womanhood, with her friends and family. The band was playing, couples were dancing. The proud twelve-year-old, resplendent in her party dress, had just appeared on the stage. Then, as the amateur videos so horrifically showed, the Palestinian gunman starting shooting and people started dying, including Nina's grandfather and five other celebrants. An hour later, another celebration took place. In the Palestinian city of Tulkarm, hometown of the gunman, cars honked their horns, men shot in the air, strangers embraced in the streets and handed out candy. http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El451&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&! ;

When Palestinians dance in the streets after hearing that Israeli civilians have been torn to pieces and charred beyond recognition, that society is expressing a kind of collective death wish. But the bombers and shooters, along with those who funds and direct them, don't just kill Israelis. They also write the death warrants for other Palestinians. They endanger and damage their own families and friends and neighbors. Actions produce consequences, and crimes invite punishment. The Palestinian Authority armed and financed the killers. Arafat called for a million of them. Parents pocketed a payoff from Saddam. http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El1&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

After the massacre of men, women, and children in a Jerusalem pizzeria by a Palestinian suicide bomber, there were probably some who believed that Israel would respond with a similar act of violent bloodletting. They were to be disappointed. The F-16 missile attack on the golden-domed PA police station in Ramallah at 1:30am, long after it had been evacuated, was just a red herring, a distraction from the maneuver that Israeli forces were executing at that moment.
http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El829&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

That I care for the well being of tens of Palestinian cancer patients and their families is irrelevant. As a Jew living in Israel, and, more specifically, Jerusalem, I am a potential target worthy of maiming or assassination. That is the miserable nature of the Palestinian struggle for self-determination. That I am here to recount these thoughts is by sheer virtue of timing. Minutes after I passed through the Pat intersection en route to the Shaare Zedek Medical Center, bus 32 was exploded by a young suicide bomber. Almost everyone on the bus was killed, most instantly.http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El1172&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

I thought about the school bus massacre a month ago, where a Palestinian suicide bomber murdered 11 people and injured 50--including many schoolchildren--aboard a crowded Israeli commuter bus in Jerusalem. Killed in the terror attack were an 8-year-old, four teenagers and six adults." Reuters reports that "witnesses said they heard children who had been on their way to school screaming 'Mamma, Mamma' from the wreckage." Hamas confessed to the atrocity.

Ehud Olmert said, "Every time I come to such a site, I can't escape the thought that a living person entered the bus, and he saw the young kid of 6, 7 years old sitting, and he blows him apart. This is something that you have to see to understand how terrible it is."
The murderer's father, Azmi Abu Hilail, praised his sons actions butchering Israeli school children and said he would want his other children to become homicide bombers and murder Israeli civilians.

Year Arafat and the terrorist Palestinian Liberation Organization was founded: 1964

Year Israel won the war that gave them control of actual Palestinian land to "liberate": 1967.

The PLO's goal was always to destroy Israel.

Arafat was the leader of the PLO.

The PLO lead the Palestinians in the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's and part of the 1990's. Then, it was Arafat and the "Palestinian Authority," the son of the PLO. Their goal remained the same, they just weren't allowed to admit it in public (and in english) anymore.

When your leader's #1 goal is to attack a heavily armed neighbor, the results for that leader's people aren't going to be very good. Blame the terrorists who have led the palestinians for the last 40 decades, not Israel. Israel had been led by different leaders who all tried different things. Palestinians have been lead by one man all these decades, a guy who INTENTIONALLY killed innocent people as policy.

SUCK MY SOCK, YOU BASTARD NAZIONISTS!

credevo che i nazi come te fossero gia sotto 2 metri di terra....
dacci il tuo indirizzo e rimediamo subito a questa dimenticanza...o forse e' meglio se ti mandiamo uno dei tuoi cari amici terroristi a farsi saltare in casa tua.

Perché quando qualcuno posta qualcosa che va a favore d'Israele - oltretutto ben documentata - i commenti devono essere sempre del tenore di questo qui sopra? Avete così paura di confrontarvi con la Storia? con i fatti come realmente stanno? Avete paura di dire che i palestinei stanno usando i media per distorcere la realtà?
Vedi questo:
http://italy.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/264956_comment.php#265063
Ragazzi, potete continuare anche così, ma sarà la Storia prima o poi a dire chi avrà avuto ragione e chi avrà avuto torto. E il vostro modo aggressivo di affrontare il dialogo - dando del nazisionista a chi posta soltanto un elenco di fatti storici - mi fa pensare che voi sapete già da che parte sta il torto....

Perché da queste pagine nessuno ha mai commentato le origini di Arafat, nato in Egitto nel 1929, ben prima della creazione dello Stato d'Israele? Che ci fa un egiziano - figlio di palestinesi emigrati negli anni '20 in Egitto - alla guida dei palestinesi? Possibile che non vi suoni un po' strano? Mah....

9 MAGGIO 2002

Scrive una giovane palestinese:

"Un giorno,dopo un grande attentato con molti morti ho sentito forte che dovevo fare qualcosa.Al lavoro,sentendo dei commenti,ho detto che piu'coraggioso non e'chi muore e ammazza,ma chi ha il coraggio di affrontare la situazione e vedere come costruire la pace.Poi tornando a casa,nel posto di blocco israeliano,anche se pioveva molto e camminavamo nel fango,mi sembrava che Gesu' mi spingeva ancora a fare qualcosa.Avrei voluto parlare con qualche ebreo.a gli unici ebrei che vediamo sono i soldati e allora sono andata verso uno di loro e gli ho detto che mi dispiaceva per quello che era successo,che non sono d'accordo con quelle azioni.Lui,dapprima meravigliato,ha cominciato a parlare e mi ha detto che neanche lui era d'accordo con quello che succede qui da noi.Alla fine con un grande sorriso i ha salutato con un "Sta attenta!!"Io ero felice e meravigliata di aver avuto la forza di parlare ad un soldato,nonostante tutti al posto di blocco mi guardassero stupiti".

TIME OUT FOR PEACE...

occupation breeds violenceoccupation is the real violence and terror and we discovered only one terror that's the israeli occupation terror. No way out fronm this. Only peace and justice will be the solution and this solution pass throught the end of the israeli occupation, the end of the israeli impunity. If the israeli don't understand that the main responsabile for the suicide attacks in tel aviv and haifa is sharon it means that they are more stupid than they seems to be or it means that is very easy to continue to try to hide their crimes on the palestinians... Of course it's related with bush and blair power but starting from iraq war and occupation this power is decresing and every people know about their imperialistic planes. It is only matter of time... Israel will faced a lot of problems in the near future. They don't know how deep is the grave that sharon policy dig under them. No way out to escape from the responsabilities in war crimes. You can tell lies forever but the problem is Who believes to you?
Think about it, now you are in time to save yourselve stupid israeli supporting occupation. I am afraid that in future nobody will take care about you, when the palestinians will have their revenge instead of justice and the israeli will haven't the american support on their back
Better to go to peace and justice before to go to nowhere
shalom
allegra

Il terrorismo esisteva ben prima di Sharon. E non solo in Israele. Se i palestinesi rinunciassero al terrorismo sono convinto che in un paio d'anni ci sarebbero le basi per la costituzione di uno Stato palestinese. Ma riuscirà Arafat - o chi per lui - a tenere a freno i suoi? Hanno la possibilità i leader palestinesi di controllare tutte le cellule terroristiche del mondo arabo?

Ma non avete ancora capito la vera natura di Arafat?Avete visto,ora che c'e' Abu Mazen,cosa sta combinando Arafat?
Abu Mazen vorrebbe bloccare Hamas e Jihad e Arafat gli sta mettendo i bastoni tra le ruote perche' cosi' perderebbe potere e denaro,molto denaro.....

ARAFAT A CASA
SHARON A CASA!!!

TIM OUT FOR PEACE!!!!!

Non credo purtroppo che ne abbiano la possibilità di bloccare tutte le cellule terroristiche

sai David quanti tentativi di attentato kamikaze ci sono ogni giorno in Israele?!DECINE!!!se solo la leadership palestinese provasse a bloccarli ce ne sarebbero molti meno di attentati in israele.....pensa che Arafat ha nomi ed indirizzi di tutti i capi del terrorismo palestinese..ma se lui li nasconde,li finanzie e li protegge e' ovvio che non li fermeranno mai!!!!

Abu Mazen,nuovo capo di governo,sta cercando di fare di piu' ma Arafat lo sta impedendo con tutte le forze!!!!!

Arafat=terrorist=Sharon=Hamas=assassini=idf


tutti bastardi!!!non sono i vostri figli che crepano sono queli dei poveracci e della gente comune come noi!

2 popoli 2 nazioni

TIMEOUT FOR PEACE!

Sono un pò perplesso su questa nuova situazione israelo-palestinese, con il nuovo primo ministro palestinese che cercherà di arginare il terrorismo, Sharon che cerca il dialogo con Arafat per cercare di creare uno stato palestinese...... bo! tu Dan che ne pensi?

che ne penso? penso che succedera' un casino pazzesco!!!
Secondo me,ma spero di no,ci sara' una guerra civile in Palestina..da una parte Abu Mazen,tra l'altro ben visto da UE e Usa, provera' a contrastare il terrorismo palestinese,Arafati invece,per non perdere la propria leadership(che si basa proprio sul terrorismo) incitera' le masse a rivoltarsi contro chi prova a fare la pace:gli estremisti non accetteranno mai un accordo con Israele,perche' ne negao il diritto di esistere....questo succede anche dall'altra parte,cioe' in Israele,anche i coloni e l'elite militare di Sharon non vogliono uno stato palestinese....e' un vortice senza fine....da parte palestinese si dichiara:
"Via i soldati via i kaikaze"
da parte israeliana si dichiara:
"via i kamikaze via i soldati"

Credo che non si arrivera' mai ad un accordo...sara' il caos totale....

speriamo di sbagliare

TIMEOUT FOR PEACE!!!!!

Era quello che pensavo, ma volevo una tua opinione visto che conosci la questione meglio di chiunque altro in questo sito.
grazie

Le parole "I" - "TAL" - "YA" in ebraico significano

"L'Isola della Rugiada Divina"

peccato che tu sia cosi pessimista.
aspettiamo fino a domani, l'ultima ora per Abu Mazen per presentare il governo, puo darsi che alla fine ci riesca.
E spero che se ci riesce poi il popolo palestinese andra' con lui.
Se ben sai la popolazione palestinese si sta rompendo le scatole di tutti i gruppi terroristici, e puo darsi che con Abu Mazen riescano a metterli un po' piu sotto controllo.
....sto leggendo che Abu Mazen sta rinunciando...be tutto il mio ottimismo va ....

mah..io credo che o non cambiera'nulla o che sara' addirittura peggio....spero sempre di sbagliare...dico un'altra cosa:secondo me i palestinesi non si sono rotti il kazzzo dei vari gruppi terroristici...voglio ricordare...che gli unici gruppi che aiutano la popolazione sono proprio le varie sigle terroristiche...ma non lo fanno per amore del popolo.....lo fanno per tenere in scatto la popolazione....da noi vieni a scuola gratis...vieni,vieni...ma da quando hai 5 anni ti insegnamo tante belle cosine..come si costruiscono le bombe,come si spara ecc....per forza che poi escono a 18 e si fanno esplodere..li inquadrano da quando sono bambini,escono che sono paragonabili alla gioventu'hitleriana pronta a sterminare,a bruciare la gente camere ecc..non posso poi biasimarli se ci aggiungi la situazione drammatica in cui vivono...e'da colpire chi li addestra e li inquadra militarmente.....la domanda e'perche'i bambini sono felici di andare a tirare le pietre contro i soldati invece di andare a giocare a pallone?perche'sin da quando sono piccoli li inquadrano culturalmente e militarmente....credo che in questo Arafat avrebbe potuto fare di piu'....

CMQ LA GENTE NON CE LA FA PIU'...DA UNA PARTE E DALLÁLTRA....BISOGNA FINIRLA PUNTO E BASTA....MA CREDETE CHE PIACCIA A QUALCUNO VEDERE I PROPRI CARI UCCISI?!!

Le leadership politiche di entrambe le parti devono andarsene..si fanno la guerra dal 1959..come potranno mai quei 2 fare la pace?!si odiano a morte da sempre....se fossero 2 agnellini direi:"ok...scannatevi tra di voi" ma con i loro comportamenti stupidi e le azioni violente tirano in ballo 2 popoli massacrati da questa guerra che dura da sempre.......

ARAFAT=SHARON=ASSASSINI

PALESTINESI=VITTIME=ISRAELIANI

TIME OUT FOR PEACE

non ti sfiora neanke l'idea ke si facciano esplodere anke
perkè sono oppressi da un'occupazione ke non gli lascia la
libertà neanke di andare in ambulanza quando stanno per
crepare, no ke non ti sfiora non ti conviene porti questi
dubbi vero ?

non ti sfiora neanke l'idea ke se rinunciassero al terrorismo forse non sarebbero oppressi? no ke non ti sfiora non ti conviene porti questi dubbi vero?

e non paragonare il boia sharon ke ha fatto dei massacri con
uno ke è stato per 20 anni leader di un popolo ke è stato
cacciato dalla propia terra perkè gli altri vivevano lì
2000 anni fa, penso a come reaggirei io se gli emigranti
italo-americani tornassero in italia e mi dicessero: noi
vivevamo qui 100 anni fa, SMAMMA ! abbi il buon gusto di non
portare a sostegno delle tue tesi ragioni morali, ti
apprezerei di più se dicessi: non mi importa di ki abbia
ragione, israele è più forte militarmente e rimane lì,
saresti comunque uno stronzo ma almeno avresti un po più di
dignità..........

Ma che kazzate di esempi mi porti? E che c'entra Sharon con le guerre del '48, '56, '67 e '74? Non pensare all'attuale stato delle cosa, ma a come ci si è arrivati.
Perché tirate sempre fuori la storia dei tizi che arrivano e fanno smammare gli altri con la scusa che 2000 anni prima c'erano loro? Non è andata così la cronologia degli eventi. Se stuadiassi un po' sapresti che la presenza ebraica c'era ben prima del '48, che alcune comunità ebraiche erano presenti anche sotto l'impero Ottomano, che nessuna organizzazione palestinese (nata invero alla metà degli anni '60) si è mai sognata di chiedere agli inglesi di costituire uno Stato in quelle lande prima del '48, anche perché non c'era il petrolio, ma solo sassi e deserto...che agli arabi, fino a qualche anno prima alleati dei nazisti, gli è saltata la puzza al naso solo quando gli ebrei hanno deciso di costituire il loro Stato dato che erano stanchi di fare lo zerbino dei popoli d'Europa...

non è terrorismo è lotta contro ki ha rubato la loro terra
perkè diceva di vivere lì 2000 anni fa...se kiami terrorismo
quello dei palestinesi come kiami il furto di una terra ad
un popolo da parte di ki pieno di soldi ha pensato bene di
aver diritto ad uno stato propio nel luogo in cui gli
interessi americani avevano bisogno di un avamposto, la
volete smettere di rompere i cojoni agli arabi e dopo vi
lamentate se cercano di cacciarvi...basta con questo vittimismo, continuate a compiere nefandezze e volete anke
aver ragione....
e poi tu dan ricordati di essere in italia, se io mi trovassi in israele e sostenessi la politica italiana
anteponendo gli interessi di quest'ultima a quella israeliana, certo gli israeliani non mi vedrebbero di buon
okkio, ed io non kiamerei antisemita ki giustamente non mi
sopporterebbe, dato ke sei in italia da kissà quanti anni,
sostieni gli interessi italiani principalmente senza avere
la presunzione di essere speciale e di poter fare il
doppio gioco, io non mi azzarderei mai a parlare contro ki
mi ospita sostenendo la politica di un altro stato dove
non ho mai vissuto, impara ke israele è uno stato e non un
popolo, o ci hai presi tutti per cojoni e credi di essere
il più intelligente ke può fregare i poveri fessi, e poi
riguardo hitler non usarla come scusa per giustificare
la presa di un territorio sai anke tu ke non centra un kazzo
sai ke se non ci fosse stato interesse a piazzar uno stato
armato fino ai denti in medio oriente col kazzo ke nasce
israele, così come non è stato creato uno stato per
risarcire i nativi americani o i parenti dei 2 milioni di
armeni massacrati dai turki, lo stato di israele come
tutto nella storia è nato per interessi economici ed alla
faccia delle leggi internazionali...

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Vediamo se sei abile e preparato: mi porti una forma documentata di richiesta di autodeterminazione del popolo palestinese prima del 1947? Un tentativo di formare uno Stato o qualcosa del genere?

P.S.: con la frase " io non mi azzarderei mai a parlare contro ki mi ospita" meriteresti un calcio nel kulo. Il sottoscritto - o meglio il suo parentado - risiede a Roma da almeno venti generazioni (1600 circa). Forse da più tempo di te...

Ri-P.S.: non sono Dan...ma sei orbo? C'è scritto By Leo.

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Comunque indirettamente dai ragione ai Padani, ai quali non fregava nulla di essere uniti al resto dell'italico stivale. Garibaldi per loro è uno sporco nazisionista...

si magari risiedi a roma da più tempo di me, magari io quando tu eri a Roma ero a appeso a qualke albero, ma sei
tu ke ti poni kome un ospite dato ke ti senti più israeliano
ke italiano, se la smettessi di fare l'israeliano quando non
lo sei mai stato non sembreresti più un ospite, io magari
sono di origine fenicia ma non lo so, propio perkè non mi
interessa saperlo, dato ke vivo in italia da quando sono nato e non ho il mito delle origini elette da usare a mio
vantaggio, perkè sei fissato con cose di 2000 anni fa ?
credi ke gli altri non abbiamo delle origini altrettanto
antike o ke siano tutti caproni mentre ci sei tu ke hai
una storia ? te lo dico io anke gli altri hanno delle origini
ma non gli danno tanto importanza, tu sei arrivato addirittura a fare delle ricerke ke ti hanno fatto sapere
di essere a roma dal 1600....credi ke queste origini ti
rendano un eletto sopra ogni legge ke si trova in mezzo
a caproni ignoranti senza storia da addomesticare ?

Neanche io ho il mito delle cose di 2000 anni fa, se è per questo (ed è proprio questo il punto, siete voi che lo ritirate sempre in ballo perché del sionismo non avete capito un cavolo). La mia superiorità rispetto alla tua sta solo nella conoscenza dei fatti, che tu ignori o fai finta d'ignorare...non fermarti agli ultimi 5 minuti, vatti a informare cosa è successo negli ultimi 100 anni in Palestina...poi ne riparliamo.

lottare per un loro stato palestinese, lo capisco e posso anche accettarlo;
ma mettere bombe su autobus,nelle discoteche,nei ristoranti..ecc..non e' lotta e' TERRORISMO.
non va capito, non va scusato, non va tollerato.

volevo solo dirti che hai detto molte cose false....

http://italy.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/267467_comment.php#267473

http://www.unacitta.it/mondo/israele.html
http://www.unacitta.it/mondo/appello2.html

molto interessante.
http://italy.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/267614.php

arafat/hamas/islamic jihad = BAD

israel = GOOD.

Israel said they would end the occupation if palestinians will give peace to israel. but palestinians gave terrorism and murder to israel. so israel has not ended the occupation.

FIRST, palestinians must stop being lunatic killer assholes. AND THEN israel will reward them by giving them land control back.